Silberra Film Indiegogo campaign.

Meyer Trioplan · Oct 14, 2017

A while ago, a thread referenced a possiblity of a Russian Maker releasing a 200 speed B&W emulsion.

Not sure if this the same maker, but it looks quite promising.

From St Petersburg Russia, a small "craft" film maker is about to launch an Indiegogo campaign. There are 2 ortho and 4 Pancro emulsions in the lineup ranging from 50 to 200 speed. I've seen a number of samples and they look quite good. A small tease is here on the Indiegogo launch page but heck out their Facebook and instagram presence for more.

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Mick Fagan · Oct 14, 2017

Sounds interesting.

As I don't do social media, I'll await for information either from Photrio or direct from Silberra.

Do you know if the word, Silberra, means anything in any language?

Mick.

AgX · Oct 17, 2017

As you indicated, there have been already new films marketed since 2015 out of Moscow.

The latest version now is marketed under the brand Foqus Type D out of St. Petersburg. There is at least one recent thread on that here.
The idea behind that project was to launch an economic russian film for the homemarket.

Lachlan Young · Oct 17, 2017

I wonder if they're essentially a new batch of some Tasma (or Slavich? Does Slavich make film emulsions?) emulsions - I recall their product portfolio covering the range of speeds claimed - wasn't the fastest emulsion a 250 speed or something like that? Or they've got hold of some old Svema recipes and a new manufacturing partner, though from some brief research, there doesn't seem to have been that great a difference in the speeds offered by Svema or Tasma. I've always wondered why the Soviet (as opposed to other Eastern Bloc manufacturers) had such limited top speeds available - was it down to ORWO (for example) selling in hard currency markets and thus being able to make the case for spending money on R&D to remain relatively competitive while the Soviet plants largely sold to domestic markets? I can't see it being a lack of multilayer coating technology - Svema made Fischer coupler colour films for still & cinema.

AgX · Oct 17, 2017

Of course Tasma made high speed films.

Lachlan Young · Oct 17, 2017

AgX said:
Of course Tasma made high speed films.

The fastest negative film I can find references to was GOST 250/ ISO 250 (and something about 320 under tungsten) or a GOST 350/ ISO 400 reversal stock 'for tv' or something like that. Were there any others?

AgX · Oct 17, 2017

Iso 400 negativ

Meyer Trioplan · Oct 25, 2017

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The Indiegogo campaign is now live.

pentaxuser · Oct 25, 2017

Mick Fagan said:
Do you know if the word, Silberra, means anything in any language?

Mick.

It's where Uncle Joe sent people who had argued with him and lost, over the benefits of stand development. It was remote but they always had plenty of salt for their meals

pentaxuser

David Luttmann · Oct 25, 2017

Looks good to me. Not sure why there is a bit of hate bubbling. New films are good news. These are the companies that may be around long after the Kodaks and Fujis are gone.

pentaxuser · Oct 25, 2017

Are they currently selling a stock of existing film which was made by some other company but is now re-badged as Siberra film to generate income to help pay for the new film which will be made in the next few months. The details of what their facilities look like and the skills of their film engineers seem sparse. I wonder what their capital has to be to execute what seems to be a pretty ambitious programme. They don't say what the minimum target capital is, do they and if they have target dates of as little as 3 months away it makes no allowance for any problems, does it?

What happens if they fail to reach their capital target? Does the equipment get sold in a form of liquidation sale and each investor gets back money in terms of so many cents to the dollar?

A lot more questions than I have been able to find answers for so far.

pentaxuser

Meyer Trioplan · Oct 25, 2017

Pentaxuser,

I’ve read some info from third party sources, that the pancro films are an existing Agfa made stock with the Ortho emulsions.

Despite some limited information in some respects, I had no reservations about backing the project for four reasons:

1 - The perks were of a very reasonable price, at roughly the same prices as “main stream” offerings.
2 - I wanted to try another slow speed film other than Pan F to see what I could do with it.
3 - They have already demonstrated samples of all the emulsions they are featuring.
4 - They are another possible maker of new emulsions and this seems a good labor of love for them.

Svenedin · Oct 25, 2017

Mick Fagan said:
Do you know if the word, Silberra, means anything in any language?

Mick.

Silber is the German word for silver......

Meyer Trioplan · Oct 25, 2017

Darn it. Meant to say “with the Ortho emulsions being newly developed.”

Lachlan Young · Oct 25, 2017

Meyer Trioplan said:
Darn it. Meant to say “with the Ortho emulsions being newly developed.”

The Agfa archive has quite a number of similar designs - I recall some Maco/ Agfa Mortsel/ Efke thing in the late 2000s - Agfa made an emulsion from their old recipes coated on the Efke plant - 'Maco Retro 100 Tonal' was the name it was sold under or something like that. Making an Ortho variant of a panchro emulsion is likely to be fairly straightforward. What I'd like to know is why Silberra are being so cagey about where their emulsions are from & where they're being coated. I half wonder if it isn't something like getting an old Agfa recipe coated on the Slavich machine or something like that.

chris77 · Oct 25, 2017

the russians! communist street photographers! with frozen fingers and vodka breath! beware..

Cholentpot · Oct 25, 2017

So Ferrania is still the only one to come up with an in-house brand new emulsion? Everyone else it seems repackages something else. Cinestill at least washes off the REMJET, so that's closer than just repackaging police film.

Oren Grad · Oct 25, 2017

Lachlan Young said:
What I'd like to know is why Silberra are being so cagey about where their emulsions are from & where they're being coated.

Not entirely. The EMULSIVE interview...

http://emulsive.org/articles/news/e...m-crowdfunding-announcement-founder-interview

...makes pretty clear that at least the initial pan material is based on Agfa stock while the ortho material will be produced by Slavich ("a partner that specialises in producing slow, very high resolution films and material for the holographic industry. They have been around since 1930 and also still produce glass plates, technical copying film").

Lachlan Young · Oct 25, 2017

Oren Grad said:
Not entirely. The EMULSIVE interview...

http://emulsive.org/articles/news/e...m-crowdfunding-announcement-founder-interview

...makes pretty clear that at least the initial pan material is based on Agfa stock while the ortho material will be produced by Slavich ("a partner that specialises in producing slow, very high resolution films and material for the holographic industry. They have been around since 1930 and also still produce glass plates, technical copying film").

Interesting - it certainly explains the short turnaround time they are claiming for the pan film - especially if it's a small alteration of an already extant film recipe. It still leaves more questions than answers about how much of the rest of their range will actually be 'original' & how expensive & lengthy the R&D process will be. Having been for a thorough dig through their own website, the range of developers (for example) looks a lot like a straight commercialisation of recipes from the Darkroom Cookbook. Elsewhere, the Ortho films begin to give up their secrets too - at least two of them seem to have connections to lab/ interneg/ duplicating films from the cinema world if you read the descriptions carefully. The Ortho 25 also sounds a lot like the current Rollei 25. I think there's a fair bit of creative marketing at play here, but who knows, maybe the films will be good (the Agfa ones certainly should be).

aleckurgan · Oct 25, 2017

Lachlan Young said:
I half wonder if it isn't something like getting an old Agfa recipe coated on the Slavich machine or something like that.

I think you're right here, it's going to be the same as Ferrania and JCH did, a fresh coating of an old recipe.

grimp0teuthis · Oct 25, 2017

I threw them a few bucks. Even reviving old films is fine by me, plus developing at least one new emulsion is pretty cool. By the way the indiegogo campaign says they're planning to develop 120 and eventually LF sizes as well... that wasn't in the Emulsive writeup.

Mackinaw · Oct 25, 2017

aleckurgan said:
I think you're right here, it's going to be the same as Ferrania and JCH did, a fresh coating of an old recipe.

JCH is not newly coated film. It's old film coated back in 2008. All that is new is the packaging.

Jim B.

Cholentpot · Oct 25, 2017

Mackinaw said:
JCH is not newly coated film. It's old film coated back in 2008. All that is new is the packaging.

Jim B.

As far as I can tell Ferrania is the only new coater around.

David Luttmann · Oct 25, 2017

Mackinaw said:
JCH is not newly coated film. It's old film coated back in 2008. All that is new is the packaging.

Jim B.

Can you cite the source for that? Everything I've ever seen is that it was an old recipe and newly coated to spec.

aleckurgan · Oct 26, 2017

Cholentpot said:
As far as I can tell Ferrania is the only new coater around.

Mackinaw said:
JCH is not newly coated film. It's old film coated back in 2008. All that is new is the packaging.
Jim B.

"I couldn’t have a completely new emulsion made, so I decided to go with an old discontinued surveillance film that was original made by AGFA, and have it put back into production. So this is a re-born film, not a re-spooled film that is still being sold. This is also not an ‘old stock’ film or a ‘pancake’ that was kicking around a ‘dusty warehouse’. This is a freshly produced emulsion with an expiry date of 2020. The film was no longer being produced and I had it put back into production."
http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2016/03/film-news-announcing-jch-streetpan-400-film/
So both P30 and Streetpan were revived and freshly coated. And you're right, they both got new packaging.

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