Should we start a new photographic movement?

[Alan Edward Klein]

It is the writer's fault if a reader doesn't believe him. It is up to the writer to be convincing - not up to the reader to be convinced.



There's no victim. It is the choice of whoever decides to not post photos.

That said, the most anyone should do is ask that an example or demonstration be shown. When it isn't, if that makes you disregard the claim, just move on.

However, often you can comprehend that a procedure or method will likely work a certain way just from the description.
Especially if you have some experience.

As the fast food ad stipulated when the old woman said, "Show me the meat." Or the movie, "Show me the money". Talk is cheap. We who are in the photo business should be especially aware of how much effect a photo has in convincing people. Especially being that this is a photo forum.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Say, you're curious how to produce a split toned print. Someone explains an approach, but doesn't show an example. What do you do - consider their approach, perhaps try it out? Or just dismiss it - after all, no example has been shown, hence the information provided cannot/should not be taken into consideration?

It's someone's own loss if they decide to disregard information that might be useful to them.

I learned a lot from people who didn't post examples of what they meant and also from people who didn't show credentials of their expertise (perhaps because they had none).

There are so many opinions on how to do things here. How do you separate the wheat from the chaff? Are you supposed to try every unsolicited idea and change your ordinary procedures because someone says it's great? How do we discern which of the recommendations we might try when we're not shown the results? Who has the time? Would you buy a shirt sight unseen?

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

That's exactly true. Not everything needs an example. Also, it can be discouraging to genuinely knowledgeable people to be constantly asked for examples. Demanding "proof" could cause a lot of people who do know how to do lots of stuff but don't actually have any examples of their own (for whatever reason) to not volunteer any information.

However, when a claim is contentious or counter-intuitive, you can't expect people to believe you if you don't demonstrate. But even then, if you don't have an example at hand, should you shut up about it?

If you don't have samples, post your ideas anyway. Just realize that without them, people may question the value of your suggestion and just ignore it.

 

[Sirius Glass]

If you don't have samples, post your ideas anyway. Just realize that without them, people may question the value of your suggestion and just ignore it.

Much better than having my photographs ripped off from downloading. The stealing costs me money and that is worth much more than the opinions of those that will only believe something if they see it on the internet.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Much better than having my photographs ripped off from downloading. The stealing costs me money and that is worth much more than the opinions of those that will only believe something if they see it on the internet.

Don't post any pictures you're selling.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Don't post any pictures you're selling.

I post pictures for selling items. Now you are being obstinate.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

I post pictures for selling items. Now you are being obstinate.

Huh?

 

[George Mann]

Young photographers want and expect their film to be every bit as hi rez as their digital shots with minimum fuss.

This is only possible currently by paying for a professional high end scanning service.

 

[George Mann]

For those that see the big picture concerning the need for capturing and preserving their local unfolding life and events in the turbulent end days ahead, let them join in the movement.

 

[Don_ih]

For those that see the big picture concerning the need for capturing and preserving their local unfolding life and events in the turbulent end days ahead, let them join in the movement.

Can't see much point capturing and preserving anything if there are going to be "end days"....

 

[George Mann]

Can't see much point capturing and preserving anything if there are going to be "end days"....

The end days of this earth age before the transition the permanent, everlasting one to come.

 

[Don_ih]

The end days of this earth age before the transition the permanent, everlasting one to come.

Non-existence is not ever-lasting - it's ever-non-being, which doesn't "last" at all.

 

[Cholentpot]

This is only possible currently by paying for a professional high end scanning service.

I beg to differ.

I think this is every bit as high resolution as I'm going to get out of film. However my scanning method is not minimum fuss. Nor it it high end. It's a decade old DSLR with a decent macro lens.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

What format film?

 

[VinceInMT]

The end days of this earth age before the transition the permanent, everlasting one to come.

Huh? I guess I can give up on archival washing.

 

[Cholentpot]

What format film?

Flowers and cottage are 35mm Vision3 50D. Ship is Shanghai GP3 220 6x4.5

Here's some 16mm

4x5 (I'd shoot more but the RF is too complex for me and won't hold true.)

 

[koraks]

I think this is every bit as high resolution as I'm going to get out of film.

It's also poor in comparison with the raw resolution you get from a typical 35mm sensor these days.
Not saying your photos are poor or anything, but let's not make film out of something it isn't, and/or forget that digital is capable of amazing stuff.

 

[George Mann]

Non-existence is not ever-lasting

Don't worry. Mankind will continue to exist.

 

[George Mann]

It's also poor in comparison with the raw resolution you get from a typical 35mm sensor these days.
Not saying your photos are poor or anything, but let's not make film out of something it isn't, and/or forget that digital is capable of amazing stuff.

Film still readily out-resolves digital. Only the best scanners can begin to show it's superiority.

 

[Cholentpot]

It's also poor in comparison with the raw resolution you get from a typical 35mm sensor these days.
Not saying your photos are poor or anything, but let's not make film out of something it isn't, and/or forget that digital is capable of amazing stuff.

Oh sure, I agree with that. 35mm film cannot compete with modern sensors. But younger film shooters expect hi-rez scans of their film. They don't expect digital quality but small low bit file is not going to cut it.

 

[koraks]

Film still readily out-resolves digital. Only the best scanners can begin to show it's superiority.

I'll let you have this last word on the film vs. digital debate we're not going to pursue any further

 

[Don_ih]

Don't worry. Mankind will continue to exist.

I'm not worried in the slightest.

 

[BradS]

meh.

 

[George Mann]

35mm film cannot compete with modern sensors.

Actually, it's the other way around.

 

[George Mann]

...turbulent end days ahead....

Huh ????
WTF are you talking about?

May you live long enough to see.