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Shortage of films?


I assume it was exactly the same issue we are facing. If you are not in continuous production you have batch variations and those are somewhat beyond our control. Ilford had similar problems in the end with Micrographic color. However there the amount of clients was so small that they applied fixes with the film to the few end users. Coating a filter on top to fix color shift is somethign we are currently investigating as well for Helios. It´s actually a very good aproach for the future. You never know 100% how things are unless you coat it and then its made. We will go to the market now with a separate filter but are considering a dyed topcoat.
 
I like that filter layer approach. But the issue is, is the majority of the clientele demanding enough to make such worthwhile?

I mean, if you look even through Photrio you will see that even amongst those who go the sole-analogue way there hardly are any who apply colour-correction filters in case of a spectral mismatch between light source and film.
 
And instead of a filter-coating publish, not even print on the box, per batch a CC-filter (or more appropriate) table.
 
AgX said:
And instead of a filter-coating publish, not even print on the box, per batch a CC-filter (or more appropriate) table.
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Its about the workflow in the labs. Most people scan today. The film has to be corected to the extend that a regular scanner puts out a decently corected image. Those who do RA-4 in the darkroom can expose HELIOS without a filter.
 
Would it not be the same isssue? There are already respective codes for industrial/commercial labs on type 135 cassettes.

What about a respective App and a QR-code on the box for those who scan?*


But likely you will tell us that printing such code on each box is more expensive than a whole filter coating run... (well, I like your comments on production costs issues most of us not even think about...)




(*As most fellows here know, I am ignorant on scanning algorithms.)
 
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No you cannot set anything and the people in the labs are unfortunately likely not do this even if they could. The film has to run through the workflow like any other or the customers will end up with unusable scans. This is not about whats technically possible. If we could reprogram the Noritsu, Fuji and Pakon Software and provide each lab a new version- then yes. But THIS would be to expensive ;-)
 
ADOX Fotoimpex said:
Those who do RA-4 in the darkroom can expose HELIOS without a filter.
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So that means that the color layers track sufficiently well to print OK onto RA4 paper without visible crossover? If so, the color filter would for me personally not be a necessity. My main concern is crossover; a cast in itself is not a problem per se, but crossover is beyond repair for all intents and purposes when printing optically.
 
tommyfilmist said:
hey pay attention to amazon and ebay sellers. its quite the experience.

Sort of like cutting your brake lines before you start the downhill driving part of "driving through the rocky mountains"
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Sellers have figured out how to make a fortune overpricing stuff on Amazon and also by selling crap. They set up their own seller account advertising a product they bought from someone else and half the price they are asking. Buyers aren't paying attention or shopping effectively and pay double or more than what they should. Plus many products are expired or just bad. Amazon does a poor job of monitoring its sellers. Depending on the nature of the product, I often skip Amazon and go directly to the manufacturer even if I have to pay slightly more. Often I save money. You have to shop around.

For film, I'll buy only from camera sellers like B and H who stand by their products to keep their customers happy while Amazon continues to sell junk.
 

I use Amazon for the convenience and fast shipping not for their good prices. For film, like you, I stay with B&H and Freestyle. Good price and zero quality issues.

Marcelo
 
Sirius Glass said:
Can I use Colour film in my camera instead of Color film? Do I need special filters? Do I need different camera settings?
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Most important, you need to remove the lens on your camera and swap it for an "objective" .
 

This is a very very significant feature, and one that I look forward to. Many thanks to ADOX for addressing this problem.
 

T-grain film technology was a gigantic step forward and gave us many things we take for granted today like fine-grained ISO 800 color film, etc. It made 110 cameras give acceptable image quality etc etc etc etc ETC.

To throw this progress and effort down the toilet, is obscene. I don't know who Steve Anchell is but his argument is ridiculous. This was major technical progress that increased the sharpness and the sensitivity of film. Tmax 100 and Tmax 400, as well as the Acros and Delta films, are wonderful films able to give amazing results. As are Provia 100F, Velvia, Superia... who also use this technology in the Fuji-guise. As are Portra and Ektar.

Ektar 100 has the fine grain that Ektar 25 had some decades ago. Thanks to T-grain advances (and other progress).

I don't care if a film has "more" or "less" silver, to argue about that is completely silly, sadly some marketers used the "more silver" argument to push their technologically inferior film. "More silver" is good if you need very high Dmax if you're making B/W slides and intend to project them, other than that...

Photo Engineer (RIP) said many times that if your manufacturing process is not so good, you'll need more silver than necessary. This isn't a good thing.
 
Sirius Glass said:
Can I use Colour film in my camera instead of Color film? Do I need special filters? Do I need different camera settings?
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No, you will be fine with everything you do now, as long as you transport your camera in the boot of your car, and drive it on the left side of the road.
I'll leave it up to you if you want to pronounce lieutenant the correct way - as if the "u" was "ff".
 

I am already shooting ISO 1.6 colour film, so this is good news for me!

I would be happy to test some rolls for you.





 

I look forwad to seeing this hit the market!

The requirement for a filter is a faff....but I know you guys at Adox are working towards a final goal and this is a significant step on the way. Might be interested myself too.
 
Agulliver said:
I look forwad to seeing this hit the market!

The requirement for a filter is a faff....but I know you guys at Adox are working towards a final goal and this is a significant step on the way. Might be interested myself too.
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We will manufacture and supply the filter with the film from our innovative ADOX SNAP on filter line.
We have to still crunch the numbers but most likely there will be a three or five pack including one size filter of choice.
 
ADOX Fotoimpex said:
We have to still crunch the numbers but most likely there will be a three or five pack including one size filter of choice.
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Just speaking for myself, I think a 5 pack with two filter sizes (if you use different cameras or lenses) would be great
 
Will the Helios film have anything like the orange base color of usual color negative films?
 

Steve Anchell is the author of the Darkroom Cookbook, and the book has a sidebar on Tmax400 vs Tri-X (Anchell likes Tri-X better for "microcontrast" reasons). The post you quoted was giving a biased summary of this sidebar. I personally agree with you about T-grain films and think that Anchell's opinions give too much weight to Kodak economizing and his personal taste for Tri-X. But he doesn't say that customers were "being cheated out of their silver," anyway.
 

Thanks for this information!!
 
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