Shortage of films?

[pentaxuser]

Meh, I do. And it is inflation at 5.1% that is impacting everything, not just film, chemicals and ancillary equipment!

Wow! Between Donald's petrol at $4 a gallon and your inflation at 5.1% any chance you can export both to the U.K. to help us.

pentaxuser

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Not necessarily wrong, not necessarily right. Just a regional (country) difference. Colour, centre, etcetera., is UK/Australian English.

UK/Australian/Canadian English

 

[NB23]

The one shown on the eBay tv ad here in Australia makes a brief appearance looking akin to an ancient Rolleicord. We know it is an American eBay add because he's sitting in the car bopping along to the jingle and the steering wheel is on the left; the engines and engine oils and tyres and wheels he is dancing to are also specific to America. There you have it. An 'eBay camera'...

What’s the difference between an american wheel and a rest-of-the-world wheel?

 

[Ernst-Jan]

120mm films

That indeed is quite hard to get, must be a special order. Try Kenhamm cameras for a special order at Kodak or wait for the ULF programme at Ilford.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

What’s the difference between an american wheel and a rest-of-the-world wheel?

The American wheel is square, or eclips at best

 

[MattKing]

What’s the difference between an american wheel and a rest-of-the-world wheel?

One type of wheel is standard on US models. Another type of wheel is standard in other locations.
We even see this in Canada. And the US wheels may even be made in Canada.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Folks, this thread is in the Colour Film sub-forum!
(extra u added intentionally)

Can I use Colour film in my camera instead of Color film? Do I need special filters? Do I need different camera settings?

 

[Sirius Glass]

In this insane day and age, the term "cheap film" is an oxymoron. There ain't so such thing any more, and the sooner you accept this and learn to live with it, the better you will be.

I have enough trouble with real morons, so I don't need no stinkin' oxymorons around.

 

[Huss]

Can I use Colour film in my camera instead of Color film? Do I need special filters? Do I need different camera settings?

Stop being so pedantic.

Just use Kolor film.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

We are about to launch Color Mission II "Helios". With this film we took most concerns raised in this thread into account like triacetate base prices and other factors (it comes on our usual clear PET). HELIOS will not only be a new color film stock, it will also be available in various formats (depending on our progress in solving technical challenges in finishing) and through our dealer network at a price which will be lower than COLOR MISSION I and most likely (as per our knowledge) the lowest color film price in the market. The film does require some tweaks like a dedicated filter and a very low ISO but it has the potential to bridge the current gap as it will be available in substantual quantities and produces fine color images if exposed and filtered corectly. At least in the summer when there is enough light, it can be shot handheld. In the fall or under clouds you will need a tripod or a flash. As with all COLOR MISSION products all funds raised from film sales will go to R&D to re-engineer something similar to COLOR MISSION I.

 

[bluechromis]

There is a theory that one of Kodak's motivations in creating the Tmax films was to reduce their silver costs which had spiked. Other manufactures followed suit with T-grain products. Steve Anchell says this was an abomination and that consumers were being cheated out of their silver and the Tmax films were inferior to cubic grain films. I can't confirm, had heard it said, that one reason the Kentmere films are cheaper than Ilford brand is that they have less silver. I am not claiming that films with less silver are bad and those with a lot are good. I don't know what is the effect of having more or less silver. But there are people that do think that. The upshot may be If one is wanting cheaper film be careful of what you wish for.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Stop being so pedantic.

Just use Kolor film.

If I am not pedantic, how could I teach?

 

[Sirius Glass]

We are about to launch Color Mission II "Helios". With this film we took most concerns raised in this thread into account like triacetate base prices and other factors (it comes on our usual clear PET). HELIOS will not only be a new color film stock, it will also be available in various formats (depending on our progress in solving technical challenges in finishing) and through our dealer network at a price which will be lower than COLOR MISSION I and most likely (as per our knowledge) the lowest color film price in the market. The film does require some tweaks like a dedicated filter and a very low ISO but it has the potential to bridge the current gap as it will be available in substantual quantities and produces fine color images if exposed and filtered corectly. At least in the summer when there is enough light, it can be shot handheld. In the fall or under clouds you will need a tripod or a flash. As with all COLOR MISSION products all funds raised from film sales will go to R&D to re-engineer something similar to COLOR MISSION I.

Please tell us exactly what dedicated filter is needed.

 

[Lachlan Young]

There is a theory that one of Kodak's motivations in creating the Tmax films was to reduce their silver costs which had spiked. Other manufactures followed suit with T-grain products. Steve Anchell says this was an abomination and that consumers were being cheated out of their silver and the Tmax films were inferior to cubic grain films. I can't confirm, had heard it said, that one reason the Kentmere films are cheaper than Ilford brand is that they have less silver. I am not claiming that films with less silver are bad and those with a lot are good. I don't know what is the effect of having more or less silver. But there are people that do think that. The upshot may be If one is wanting cheaper film be careful of what you wish for.

Completely and utterly wrong. The design aims of t-grains, Delta etc were to more fully utilise the amount of silver used (i.e. reduce the amount of 'dead' grains - there is no such thing as 'silver rich') and improve sharpness, granularity etc on the understanding the users were better able to correctly set exposure (which turned out to be an overestimation of the baseline technical competence of the segment of the user base with column inches to fill in the media) - and hence get faster, sharper finer grained films for a given amount of silver needed, by enabling all of the silver to be used rather than just some.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Please tell us exactly what dedicated filter is needed.

We are still working on the filter and will supply it with the film. Its basically to correct the color imbalance of the film.

 

[koraks]

Its basically to correct the color imbalance of the film.

I assume that doesn't bode well for those of us who prefer to print onto RA4 instead of scan & photoshop.

 

[AgX]

Completely and utterly wrong. The design aims of t-grains, Delta etc were to more fully utilise the amount of silver used (i.e. reduce the amount of 'dead' grains - there is no such thing as 'silver rich') and improve sharpness, granularity etc on the understanding the users were better able to correctly set exposure (which turned out to be an overestimation of the baseline technical competence of the segment of the user base with column inches to fill in the media) - and hence get faster, sharper finer grained films for a given amount of silver needed, by enabling all of the silver to be used rather than just some.

Still the aim of a manufacturer is to reduce emulsion-elements cost as much as possible. And silver of course is the major asset at such strive. This has been even officially communicated.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

I assume that doesn't bode well for those of us who prefer to print onto RA4 instead of scan & photoshop.

If filtered HELIOS can be printed onto RA-4 paper and be scanned.

 

[Lachlan Young]

I assume that doesn't bode well for those of us who prefer to print onto RA4 instead of scan & photoshop.

No, it sounds more like a spectral sensitivity correction.

Still the aim of a manufacturer is to reduce emulsion-elements cost as much as possible. And silver of course is the major asset at such strive. This has been even officially communicated.

Of course, but if you can make a significantly better ISO 400 film at the silver level of the previous generation's ISO 100 film, you do so. Most of the noise is coming from people who were overly reliant on emulsion latitude (both exposure-wise and chemically) without being properly aware of it.

And it's not like the high-aspect-ratio emulsion structures are cheaper to make (custom organic synthesis of specific components is expensive) - but highly controlled crystal growth structures are massively less wasteful and consistent to make.

 

[laser]

We are still working on the filter and will supply it with the film. Its basically to correct the color imbalance of the film.

Before modern quality film manufacturing Kodak would "filter coat" film. A water soluble dye was coated on previously coated on color film. The practice was a "band-aid" that had high waste but it worked at the time. In today's World of 6-sygma quality it is thought of as being an unwise practice. www.makingKODAKfilm.com

 

[koraks]

If filtered HELIOS can be printed onto RA-4 paper and be scanned.

This is very hopeful indeed; I'll be looking forward to it.
Especially if purchasing it will somehow finance future regular C41 films that are in the more usual speed range and color response.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Before modern quality film manufacturing Kodak would "filter coat" film. A water soluble dye was coated on previously coated on color film. The practice was a "band-aid" that had high waste but it worked at the time. In today's World of 6-sygma quality it is thought of as being an unwise practice.

Having read about this in your book, was this a practice that was used to try and get different batches of particular materials closer to each other, or to prevent the scrapping of an entire master roll of coated product? Were there any products that required this treatment more than others?

 

[tommyfilmist]

How so? This is a supply line problem, the sellers have nothing personally against you except that you accuse them of something that they have not control over.

quite a few sellers on various websites will give you inventory level of 10 pieces at price of 15$ per unit... but when it expires they suddenly have 60 units at 10$ for sale online.

 

[abruzzi]

Can I use Colour film in my camera instead of Color film? Do I need special filters? Do I need different camera settings?

yes, you need a UV filter, that will filter out the U, but don't try shooting Velvia with the filter still on. Things will look weird.

 

[tommyfilmist]

quite a few sellers on various websites will give you inventory level of 10 pieces at price of 15$ per unit... but when it expires they suddenly have 60 units at 10$ for sale online.

hey pay attention to amazon and ebay sellers. its quite the experience.

Sort of like cutting your brake lines before you start the downhill driving part of "driving through the rocky mountains"