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What percentage of film price consist of silver?

I was just few days ago wondering how much there is silver nitrate in for example 135 36 exp film?
 
What percentage of film price consist of silver?

The silver price craze of 1980 nearly killed Agfa. It must have affected the other manufacturers too, but details on them were not published.
 
As I recall, the price in 1980 hit $40@ oz. in those dollars.

What would be the equivalent I. 2021?

Just a year or so earlier, gold prices were controlled by the Federal Government, at $40@ oz., for years.
 
Over the years silver prices have gone up and down. Several years ago silver nitrate ( the stuff that is in film and paper ) cost over $250 / LB when the price of silver cost IDK $178/LB. I have called the precious metal dealers on TV here in the states, like SwissBank Direct and others that advertise early in the morning ( and usually have a famous TV personality like Pat Boone selling their gold because we all know gold is where it's at ! ). anyways what I was told when silver was at $12/troy oz is that the price was artificially suppressed by big companies /commodity traders who buy and dump and buy and dump. I was told that the real price of silver is well over $100/troy oz its just that the market is being played. Not sure if any of this makes sense, but in the end the price of film and paper seems to cost what the market will bear.
 
I personally like Silver, no as an investment, too little income to venture there, (and I think silver is over valued above $7 @ oz.) but because of the simple beauty of it and the beauty of the things made with it, including coins, large and small, ie, a small silver chain I wear beneath my shirt, carry's an 1838 2 pence, an 1852 three cent, well worn, no pun, and a couple of other silver coins and one child's ring, gold with a small ruby, I hope to give away one day, in as 'act of kindness'.

It was for the searching for silver artifacts that I bought my metal detector and it's turned up plenty of silver dimes, but I do no come close to the level of silver volumes that some here seem to have embraced.

Do yourself a favor and buy a Silver coin and a chain and, as a simple pleasure, enjoy Silver all day long, every day.

IMO.
 
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It'll all depend on when the SEC steps in.

SEC will step in to 'Protect the consumer'

We know darn tootin' well what we're doing here. If the big boys can do it, we sure as heckin' heck can do it ourselves. We don't need nanny coming in to tell us that playtime is getting rough, we know what we're in for.

There are now 10 million+ people that know more about Wall-street games and manipulations than a week ago. You can't put this back in the can.

Also,

Silver is better than gold. Try to buy a loaf of bread with gold. Now try it with a silver dime.
 
Silver is better than gold. Try to buy a loaf of bread with gold. Now try it with a silver dime.
maybe, but I like my gold grill, I had silver before but it looked too much like dental work instead of im so cool.
 
Silver is better than gold. Try to buy a loaf of bread with gold. Now try it with a silver dime.

No chance with that over here... Actually up to right now I did not even know that once I myself had silver coins in hand. They only german one was cancelled in 1974.
 
No chance with that over here... Actually up to right now I did not even know that once I myself had silver coins in hand. They only german one was cancelled in 1974.


Either you can buy small lots of 90% Silver, American Coins, (there are some 40% ones two) or a larger bag of mixed American coins as an investment toward a future calamity stash, from the online bullion dealers whom also sell "junk" silver in rolls and bags.

I just checked one such dealer and they, for example have a $5 roll of 90% silver (50 American Dimes) listed for $105 U.S.

Canadian dimes and other silver for circulation Junk coins are only 80% silver, and so on and so forth.

Of course in the EU , you'll have VAT, (etc?) but at least you have something stashed away for a really bad month or so for bread, eggs, etc.

Think about it and avoid Bullion coins other than junk, as they can sell for much higher prices, in any metals, just because they are Mint or in a better graded condition.

IE. A few years back, I wanted a small gold round or bar, one gram, to test my metal detector in various grounds to get my setting right. I went to my favorite gun store which has a decent coin shop also, and looked at their least expensive round, no a government issue.

Gold was about $38 a gram that day but the shop had this round at 50% higher price than the gold value.

I was able to get that down to 25%, and bought it and have kept it in 'Mint' condition by keeping it in it's small non-metalic case, which can be buried and recovered easily.

One gram of gold is a very small, thin affair and I keep it in my wallet, for detecting but mostly because it might come in handy in an emergency, where a card will no do the trick, or for a stubborn trader of some happy encounter with the unexpected.

It's the only gold round I have, no bars either, but it's enough metal for me.

By-the-way, on a Garret Ace 250 metal detector, gold often sounds and reads like an American Nickel, so did all your targets, I found my first gold ring like this, and the look of my Rozeann's face, when I opened up the earth to take it, was sheer amazement. I can still hear the astonishment in her voice when she gasped, "It's a gold ring.... "

That was and still is Treasure in my mind, though the ring is long gone.

Anyway, if you want small silver to trade with, there are easy options, so long as you have the cash to buy them or the ability to go out and find them for yourself.

Cheers.
 
The last Canadian dime that contained silver was minted in 1967/68. Since then the Canadian dimes have been made of pure nickel or nickel-plated steel.
 
Either you can buy small lots of 90% Silver, American Coins, (there are some 40% ones two) or a larger bag of mixed American coins as an investment toward a future calamity stash, from the online bullion dealers whom also sell "junk" silver in rolls and bags.

I just checked one such dealer and they, for example have a $5 roll of 90% silver (50 American Dimes) listed for $105 U.S.

Canadian dimes and other silver for circulation Junk coins are only 80% silver, and so on and so forth.

Of course in the EU , you'll have VAT, (etc?) but at least you have something stashed away for a really bad month or so for bread, eggs, etc.

Think about it and avoid Bullion coins other than junk, as they can sell for much higher prices, in any metals, just because they are Mint or in a better graded condition.

IE. A few years back, I wanted a small gold round or bar, one gram, to test my metal detector in various grounds to get my setting right. I went to my favorite gun store which has a decent coin shop also, and looked at their least expensive round, no a government issue.

Gold was about $38 a gram that day but the shop had this round at 50% higher price than the gold value.

I was able to get that down to 25%, and bought it and have kept it in 'Mint' condition by keeping it in it's small non-metalic case, which can be buried and recovered easily.

One gram of gold is a very small, thin affair and I keep it in my wallet, for detecting but mostly because it might come in handy in an emergency, where a card will no do the trick, or for a stubborn trader of some happy encounter with the unexpected.

It's the only gold round I have, no bars either, but it's enough metal for me.

By-the-way, on a Garret Ace 250 metal detector, gold often sounds and reads like an American Nickel, so did all your targets, I found my first gold ring like this, and the look of my Rozeann's face, when I opened up the earth to take it, was sheer amazement. I can still hear the astonishment in her voice when she gasped, "It's a gold ring.... "

That was and still is Treasure in my mind, though the ring is long gone.

Anyway, if you want small silver to trade with, there are easy options, so long as you have the cash to buy them or the ability to go out and find them for yourself.

Cheers.

In the US and most other countries it is illegal to melt down coins to sell for the metal contents. The penalties are high.
 
In the US and most other countries it is illegal to melt down coins to sell for the metal contents. The penalties are high.

Sirius, it depends on what you are doing, as a quick internet search spells out below.

"It is not illegal to melt, form, destroy, or otherwise modify US coins, including pennies, unless the objective is fraudulent or with the intent of selling the raw materials of the coins for profit. Projects that use coins as materials are entirely legal in the United States."

So, if you want a full and complete tea set out of "Coin Silver" (90% silver content) you can go to town and use out of circulation silver coins, and perhaps a few U.S. Bullion dollars to bring the silver content up to Sterling instead.

I have used nickels as 'spacers' in some projects and pennies complete or cut/sawn, for others

If however you were melting Nickels and pennies for their copper content because copper spot has jumped the rail of rationality, then you have a legal problem.

Thanks for reminding me of that law, IF I should ever want to melt copper (really Bronze, containing % pennies 5%/5% tin and zinc) for metal content (? Its more useful as coins, IMO.) i guess I'd have to keep it to myself.

Cheers, Stay Warm and Godspeed.



Photographically, I recall a photograph of five gallon buckets of sorted silver and high copper content American coins, sitting waiting for melting, outside in the mist of tons of other segregated metals, in a Mexican Scrap Yard.

I was impressed by it all.
 
The last Canadian dime that contained silver was minted in 1967/68. Since then the Canadian dimes have been made of pure nickel or nickel-plated steel.

I guess that's why some kids or homeless persons can fish out a cup of Joe or Mocco from in town Canadian street gates.
 
According to PE the range of silver content in Kodak films is 150-300 mg/ft sq. If I do the math correctly a 35mm film of 36 photos has 75-150 mg of silver.

My local silver nitrate dealer asks 1,5 euros per gram for silver nitrate. So with that price one roll has silver worth of 0.15 euros. That is probably much more than what Kodak pays to silver nitrate ..

Now we would need to remove all profits & taxes & etc. to get the bare manufacturing price so we could see what is the cost in percentage so then we could analyse how much silver prices really affects to film price..
 
In a world where it costs more to put the film into the cassette or to supply the spool and backing paper than it costs to make the film itself, I doubt that these variances in silver cost are likely to be the major factor in price determinations.
 
I suggest that a modified pressure plate, with a replaceable, durable rolling substitute black "paper" backing, that makes a short circuit around the pressure plate be used, instead of a paper roll the length of a roll or pack of film.

Or, simply a black flap of substitute of the same material which stays taunt as film is advanced, as it is shot, for 120 films.

After all, if 220 film did no need a full length backing, why can't this work for 120 film and one way roll ups that could be retrofits to camera's like the Hasselblad or TLRs?

Would prices go down after that?
 
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You would need cassettes at either end - some cameras might not have the space - and some way to keep the film taught as it approaches the final frame.
Alternatively you would have to add some sort of rewinding mechanism.
Actually, backing paper is a quite elegant solution. It has just become expensive.
 
I'm thinking that a reduced vanguard and end guard of the traditional black paper parade, as used on the 220 rolls would still be useful, though a polymer might substitute.
 
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