She says 1.4 bohka "is the best". ----

[cowanw]

My last post... I have some technical certifications, a bachelor degree in photojournalism, and 3/4 of a Master's in Art... and never was the word Bokeh uttered till 2007 or so.

From wiki
The English spelling bokeh was popularized in 1997 in Photo Techniques magazine, when Mike Johnston, the editor at the time, commissioned three papers on the topic for the March/April 1997 issue; he altered the spelling to suggest the correct pronunciation to English speakers, saying "it is properly pronounced with bo as in bone and ke as in Kenneth, with equal stress on either syllable

 

[cowanw]

I know a guy who fancies himself a bird photographer. He's not bad, actually.
He showed me some photos of a fairly rare bird, in these parts. (Trumpeter swan. Itinerants that don't usually nest here.)
It was a pretty good photo.

But I took one look at it and asked him if he used a catadioptric lens.
"A cata-what-ic?"
"Catadioptric... Like a miniature telescope. With a mirror inside"
"How did you know?"

I told him that those mirror lenses are known to produce ring-shaped halos around highlights.

"Oh, you mean bokeh," he said, "I thought that was cool."

The guy knows his birds, though. Better than anybody else I know.

Well he was right on both counts.
That IS what Bokeh is.
And HE thought it was cool.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

She spoke about wanting to get Photoshop (complained it's too expensive) but want's to do "tilt shift" in photoshop....

......ANd she says she doesn't like JAZZ either... I listen to it all day.....

........ at least my 17 year-old and I have 1950-1970's Jazz, Steely Dan, Rush, and Yes in common.

Tilt shift... Get the little twit a Sinar and some Hot Club of France CDs, lock her in a room with them telling her she can come out when she can discuss the one and use the other.
That should either shock her into reality or render her in a persistent vegetative state.

 

[Worker 11811]

Well he was right on both counts.
That IS what Bokeh is.
And HE thought it was cool.

Well, bokeh (or blurred highlights) can be cool if you plan it into the composition, hopefully at the time of taking the photo but certainly when making the final print. That assumes that the photographer has some idea how to create bokeh when he wants it. That does not mean that you open your aperture all the way then hope that every highlight beyond field of focus turns into sea of donuts.

If you want to have a sea of donuts, MAKE a sea of donuts. Don't just shoot fifty frames them delete forty nine, hoping to get the one shot with the most donutty goodness.

Stop and think for a second and you might realize that, if you try, you might be able to make an angelic halo appear over somebody's head. Now, THAT would be cool bokeh! You didn't even have to use Photoshop to do it.

Maybe, someday, it might be fun to tinker but I'm not about to spend a boatload of money on a lens just for making donuts.

P.S. The guy's picture was not a sea of donuts. Just one or two annular highlights in the background. I just said that as an example.

 

[perkeleellinen]

I think the fetish for shallow DoF is driven by frustration over slow zooms on SLR kits and small digi sensors.

I've never heard anyone attempt to say 'bokeh' so I wonder if it is correct to say it like 'bouquet' or 'bok-ay'

 

[Helinophoto]

Bo like you would say OOOOooooooohhhh!
Keh like KEnneth

"Bo-kke"

 

[Worker 11811]

It's a loan word from Japanese.

Often pronounced so as to rhyme with the way a person with a New York City accent would say "poker." Not quite the way it is pronounced in Japan but close enough. Besides, this is America. We should speak 'Merikan, not Jap'neez.

I prefer to say "blur." That's supposed to be what "bokeh" means in Japanese... But it also means "senile" or "crazy."

 

[rorye]

We're all learning.

 

[Alex Muir]

I thought the original post was really funny. I take it that was how it was intended ?

 

[LiamG]

We're all learning.

Yes we are-


We're learning which bokeh is best.

 

[paul_c5x4]

She spoke about wanting to get Photoshop (complained it's too expensive) but want's to do "tilt shift" in photoshop....

Tell her to install GIMP, and when she wants to use masks, to google for "gimp masks" - If nothing else, it should open her eyes to latex and other deviants


P.S. Googling "gimp masks" is not safe at work.

 

[Newt_on_Swings]

The old photoshop cs2 is free now

 

[Helinophoto]

It's a loan word from Japanese.

Besides, this is America. We should speak 'Merikan, not Jap'neez.

Need I remind you that APUG isn't US-centric, sir?

Language, my friend, is something you can never learn too little off.
Whether you go to Japan, Russia or wherever, making an effort to greet people in their own language (like hello, thank you, goodbye) will always, without exception. put you in a favorable light.

 

[Felinik]

She spoke about wanting to get Photoshop (complained it's too expensive) but want's to do "tilt shift" in photoshop....

......ANd she says she doesn't like JAZZ either... I listen to it all day.....

........ at least my 17 year-old and I have 1950-1970's Jazz, Steely Dan, Rush, and Yes in common.

Time to show the apprentice a tilt-shift lens then, Master... So what kind of music does she listen to that you can get to explore then, old man?



(Rush is rather geeky stuff, but Steely Dan and Jazz, yes please.)

 

[Felinik]

Tell her to install GIMP, and when she wants to use masks, to google for "gimp masks" - If nothing else, it should open her eyes to latex and other deviants


P.S. Googling "gimp masks" is not safe at work.

Yet, the first hit I get is this (and I have safe-search deactivated)..

http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Quickmask/

 

[cowanw]

Well, bokeh (or blurred highlights) can be cool if you plan it into the composition, hopefully at the time of taking the photo but certainly when making the final print. That assumes that the photographer has some idea how to create bokeh when he wants it. That does not mean that you open your aperture all the way then hope that every highlight beyond field of focus turns into sea of donuts.

If you want to have a sea of donuts, MAKE a sea of donuts. Don't just shoot fifty frames them delete forty nine, hoping to get the one shot with the most donutty goodness.

Stop and think for a second and you might realize that, if you try, you might be able to make an angelic halo appear over somebody's head. Now, THAT would be cool bokeh! You didn't even have to use Photoshop to do it.

Maybe, someday, it might be fun to tinker but I'm not about to spend a boatload of money on a lens just for making donuts.

P.S. The guy's picture was not a sea of donuts. Just one or two annular highlights in the background. I just said that as an example.

I stopped and thought but my camera doesn't delete frames like yours must. I am afraid I don't know much about photoshop. Thankfully used Cat lenses are quite cheap, probably due to the derision of experts.:confused:

 

[vpwphoto]

I think the fetish for shallow DoF is driven by frustration over slow zooms on SLR kits and small digi sensors.

I've never heard anyone attempt to say 'bokeh' so I wonder if it is correct to say it like 'bouquet' or 'bok-ay'

Great observation!!

I'm glad we have had some fun with this. I am not seriously demonizing this young women.
Just her generation, and how knowing a few catch phrases doesn't make 20 somethings as smart as they THINK.

I'm a car guy too, these youngsters are like that "Merc w123", and I say oh a 300D? They act so smug.
I am wondering how many people I drove nuts when I was 20?

Happy Saturday, I am going into the darkroom to print (someone else's negatives) today.

 

[vpwphoto]

I thought the original post was really funny. I take it that was how it was intended ?

Yes... I couldn't believe what I heard. And if you could see her, she is cute, and it was so funny to me.

 

[lxdude]

I have a lens with a malfunctioning diaphragm which won't close, so it always produces "brokeh".

 

[lxdude]

Unbelivers- the best bohkens can only be achieved by becoming one with the zero, with the asymptotic lens, the F/0. Believe.

 

[lxdude]

Does the intern have a drug habit, or brain damage, or something?

Worse- the combination of youthful ignorance, inexperience, and absolute certainty.
A common affliction, followed some years later with a tendency to roll the eyes and smile wryly when reminded of it.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Worse- the combination of youthful ignorance, inexperience, and absolute certainty.
A common affliction, followed some years later with a tendency to roll the eyes and smile wryly when reminded of it.

(Rolls eyes and grimaces)

 

[wiltw]

My last post... I have some technical certifications, a bachelor degree in photojournalism, and 3/4 of a Master's in Art... and never was the word Bokeh uttered till 2007 or so.

The English spelling 'bokeh' was popularized in 1997 in Photo Techniques magazine, when the editor Mike Johnston commissioned three papers (Grad, Merklinger, Kennerdell) on the topic for the March/April 1997 issue.

Unfortunately now, so many very wrongly use the word (which actually is the QUALITY of the out-of-focus blur) to mean the out-of-focus area itself (vis a vis the in-focus area within the DOF zone). Ironically many dispute their wrong use, when the correct definition of 'bokeh' (the QUALITY) is supported by famous optics companies like Zeiss' paper on the subject of DOF in-focus areas and Out-of-focus blur and bokeh quality characteristics of the blur.

Photos seeking to use razor thin DOF, particularly so-called 'portraits' in which one eye is in focus and the tip of the nose and the ears are out of focus, fail to appeal to me. There is an inordinate amount of attention on this use, when large apertures original were intended to get photos when there simply was not enough light for the limited ISO (ASA) film speeds.

 

[lxdude]

(Rolls eyes and grimaces)

Yeah, that too.

 

[semi-ambivalent]

Good point. Actually, I was kidding about making the 50/1.2 Nikons and others, and selling them stripped down. Kind of like a nokton barrel lens.

I once knew a photographer who was probably drinking Rodinal straight up when I was still wetting my nappies, and he always used to rag on Leitz because the aperture on the Noctilux went past f/4. Of course he wasn't concerned about any damned bokay but that the Noct. was corrected for wide open. Why in the world would you use it at f/11? That's why you have an Elmar (or whatever).

s-a