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I love the weight of the F5.
I'm a Canon F1 fan Chan which are all pretty "heavy metal" cameras but this body with four AA batteries and a 35-70 f2.8 fitted must have weighed around seven pounds, and I'm at a time in life when I'm trying to reduce the amount of weight I lug about.
 
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The weight is a plus to me. I do not carry cameras around my neck but in my hands. If not in the LowePro Slingshot 250 bag. It just works for me and if not for you that's OK. It's still one of the great all time cameras. Once you figure it out,and that does take awhile,it's a breeze to use and get the results. Especially with motorsports. The AF is still great and speed of the camera overall suits it well.
 

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I was tempted by a used F5 that my local camera store had in stock in mint condition but notwithstanding its wonderful technical innovations when I picked it up it was just too heavy.

If I am going to carry that much weight then I want a larger negative. Hence I use the N75 and F100 for 35mm, Hasselblads or 4"x5" if I want a larger negative and will carry more weight that 35mm equipment.
 

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... It is the weight of it dangling around the neck ...

There are straps, I've seen them advertised in photo magazines, which go around your back, shoulders, and chest, and which tightly hold the camera flat against your chest. From there, you can raise it up to eye level with minimal resistance from the flexible straps.

Regarding the F5 or any highly electronics-laden SLR, it will be interesting to see how long these cameras remain functional. The issue being that even one component failure, such as motorized rewind or LCD driver circuitry, renders the camera unusable. It's not that I believe electronics are unreliable (I was an engineer for over 40 years), it's that there are so many subsystems in the camera, which increases the likelihood that one will fail. In view of this, in the last few years I have consciously bought only fully mechanical cameras with at most a meter. However, I do have others such as F4s's, an Elan 7NE, a Maxxum 7, and Leica R8 that I hope will last at least 20 more years.
 
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There are straps, I've seen them advertised in photo magazines, which go around your back, shoulders, and chest, and which tightly hold the camera flat against your chest. From there, you can raise it up to eye level with minimal resistance from the flexible straps.

Regarding the F5 or any highly electronics-laden SLR, it will be interesting to see how long these cameras remain functional. The issue being that even one component failure, such as motorized rewind or LCD driver circuitry, renders the camera unusable. It's not that I believe electronics are unreliable (I was an engineer for over 40 years), it's that there are so many subsystems in the camera, which increases the likelihood that one will fail. In view of this, in the last few years I have consciously bought only fully mechanical cameras with at most a meter. However, I do have others such as F4s's, an Elan 7NE, a Maxxum 7, and Leica R8 that I hope will last at least 20 more years.
Unlike the F100, if the F5 and the F4 as you know motorized rewind fails you can still use it with manual rewind. My F4 motorized rewind failed but I think it's a mechanical problem.
 

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Good point about the flexible shoulder, back and chest straps which allow you enough movement to raise the camera to your eye. I have the Opti Tech strap for my P645N which is about as good as it gets for a neck strap but wandering around for a couple of hours with a P645N on a neck strap is tiring on the neck and its weight without lens or batteries is only 70g heavier than the F5 in the same state

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If I am going to carry that much weight then I want a larger negative.
That makes sense Steve, because some 35mm "minature" cameras these days are becoming as large and heavy as medium format ones. and once you put a 70-210 zoom on them or bigger are boat anchors, so by the time you have lugged them around for an hour or two you are too pooped to use them, and as I discovered in the military there's a limit to how much weight one can carry and still be fit for combat.
 

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I have more faith in the electronics inside a f5 compared to all the high buck film point and shoots, contaxes, etc
 

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That and the mechanical monsters are aging as well and are much older!
Even my early F5 is much younger than any F2 or similar mechanical camera.


I'll extend this offer described below to you and your F5 and we can compare functionality:

Let's make a date: March 26, 2039 (roughly the 80th anniversary of the U.S. introduction of the Nikon F). We can meet at the base of Cleopatra's Needle in NYC. Bring your F6; I'll be the guy with the Nikon F. See you there!

Other Photrions welcome.

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Theo I hope I am still around on that 2039 and wouldn't care if either camera survive but I believe both of them will.
I will definitely not be around in 2039, and I will be far too busy "pushing up daisies" to travel to New York :smile:
 
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I'll extend this offer described below to you and your F5 and we can compare functionality:

Will you be using the F regularly during this period? Parts are scarce for both now what will 20 years of steady use bring? I have a 1972 F as well as the 2002 F5. Be reasonable.

And then there is the issue of film availability in 20 years.
 

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Will you be using the F regularly during this period? ...

Yes, it's one of several cameras I use constantly throughout the week. I'm always finding new subjects and have a wide variety of lenses I use with it. Lately the 500/8 reflex Nikkor has given me nice photos with it.

My Nikon camera repairman and friend has no problem keeping the F's and F2's running. So I don't worry about parts for a Nikon F being scarce now or becoming scarce in 20 years nor do I worry about it needing anything more than a CLA.
 

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I'm not sure that Matrix metering favours transparency film.
I agree. I had two Nikons with matrix metering and shot slides almost exclusively on them. There's no shortage of underexposed backlit shots. Matrix was a 1990s attempt at segmented exposure evaluation, and certainly not foolproof. Even modern digital cameras with another quarter century of technology can fluff exposures. Cameras don't know what you want, they can only ameliorate the worst excesses of under or over-exposure.

All that said, printable colour and black and white negatives should be well within Nikon's Matrix capability, but I'd rather meter manually if time allowed.
 

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Once you figure it out,and that does take awhile,it's a breeze to use and get the results. Especially with motorsports.
The F5 is an excellent camera for static photography like motorsports, where the body weight compensates for hefty lenses. For almost everything else it's serious overkill.
 
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I'd prefer too much camera over too little. I don't find the F5 too heavy or cumbersome. There are advantages to having strength.
 

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I'd prefer too much camera over too little. I don't find the F5 too heavy or cumbersome. There are advantages to having strength.
Still hard to believe it accepts the same film format as an Olympus MjuII. The F5 isn't a camera I'd want to hand hold while walking around all day, which is my normal modus operandi. Repeatedly lifting it to the eye constitutes a workout. That era of professional 35mm battery powered camera was a bridge between low voltage SLRs, and modern single cell rechargeable varieties. Most of the body is ballast. Handy for sports, pap shots and the news scrum, but for amateurs a lot of dead weight.
 

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Handy for sports, pap shots and the news scrum, but for amateurs a lot of dead weight.

Pretty broad generalization there old boy. It might be to heavy for you but many of us don't find it a problem. It's a cost/benefit thing. The cost is weight, the benefit to those that find it important are the extra features and bullet proof design. Before I switched to digital FF the F5 was my go to camera. I used it all over the world doing street photography and just about every other kind of photography I needed to do. My backup camera was a N90s with a battery grip.

Given the lack of physical conditioning of the average North American maybe lugging around a heavy camera would be a good idea. Have fun and strengthen your body at the same time :wink: . Naturally this comment doesn't apply to those that have been injured and are unable to lift heavy objects.
 

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Pretty broad generalization there old boy. It might be to heavy for you but many of us don't find it a problem. It's a cost/benefit thing. The cost is weight, the benefit to those that find it important are the extra features and bullet proof design. Before I switched to digital FF the F5 was my go to camera. I used it all over the world doing street photography and just about every other kind of photography I needed to do. My backup camera was a N90s with a battery grip.

Given the lack of physical conditioning of the average North American maybe lugging around a heavy camera would be a good idea. Have fun and strengthen your body at the same time :wink: . Naturally this comment doesn't apply to those that have been injured and are unable to lift heavy objects.
To be clear I was talking about an F5 in 2018 where film tends to be used as an "alternative" imaging medium for personal satisfaction, not professional use. This is born out by the current value of small film cameras relative to large ones like the F5, that would have cost many times more originally. People don't generally need "bullet proof design" from a 35mm camera today, though no doubt there are exceptions. It's also worth bearing in mind that all film SLR autofocus systems are getting long in the tooth, and people shooting subjects where fast frame rates and instantaneous autofocus are necessary probably won't be shooting on film.

If I want a workout I'll take the MPP and a bunch of dark slides ; )
 

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Pretty broad generalization there old boy. It might be to heavy for you but many of us don't find it a problem. It's a cost/benefit thing. The cost is weight, the benefit to those that find it important are the extra features and bullet proof design. Before I switched to digital FF the F5 was my go to camera. I used it all over the world doing street photography and just about every other kind of photography I needed to do. My backup camera was a N90s with a battery grip.

Given the lack of physical conditioning of the average North American maybe lugging around a heavy camera would be a good idea. Have fun and strengthen your body at the same time :wink: . Naturally this comment doesn't apply to those that have been injured and are unable to lift heavy objects.
Although I dislike the F5 for the reasons I posted earlier but I never mind its weight. I like the weight and size. Overall I do like it just that there are something I don't like about it so I said it first. The controls on the F5 actually are slow to operate but they are logical and consistent. All adjustments are in 1/3 stop. Although I do like the handling of the F3 without the motor drive better than the F5 but for a camera with motor drive the F5 handling is very good. Much better than the F4.
 
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