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Selenium toned first and a small bleach after?

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Hi
Last weekend, I toned 5 prints of a portrait of my son. Very low key over all except his face and arms. I want to experiment shift color and a higher D-Max. So, I used Ilford MGIV FB develloped in PQ 1+9 and fixed in TF-4. The first print was just toned in KRS 1+19 for 5 minutes. The second one was toned in KRS 1+3 for 7 minutes. No color change, just blacker. For the 3 others, they were toned in KRS 1+3, 5 to 9 minutes and bleach to a snatch point where I began to see his face lighter. In the dark tones, it's not obvious for a color change after completion. The result is a more contrasty print.

I know that my paper is not the best for this purpose or maybe my print should be darker like I read in Tim Rudman's Book of Toning. In the past, I used this routine for a landscape with succes with a reddish tint. I know that the bleach begin with the light tones first and the selenium with the dark tones first.
My goal was to have red-brown tint in the low values and preserve density in the skin....maybe it's not a good subject for this and works good for an entire low key print.

I need some advises from experienced people with this technique.

Thank you in advance.
 

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When it worked for you in the past and you got some red what paper were you using?
Some of the papers that had cadmium in them, such as Agfa Record Rapid, picked up a nice red with selnium.
I don't think any papers have cadmium in them any more.
 
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When it worked for you in the past and you got some red what paper were you using?
Some of the papers that had cadmium in them, such as Agfa Record Rapid, picked up a nice red with selnium.
I don't think any papers have cadmium in them any more.

It was the same paper but printed darker. I think it help. Any way, for now, I explore options. I'll try Ilford Gallery #2.
 
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