Scanning negatives, hybrid?

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I will offer up the mere fact that every mini-lab output these days will be a digitally manipulated image.

Not in the sense that causes concern here. Neg flipping and autoleveling etc. are built into most scan software. But that is a long, long way from digital dodging and burning, cloning, artificial toning etc. in photoshop. (And autoleveling and sharpening are done when you scan a print too)

Again, for the umpteenth time, there is no problem posting scans of negs, slides and prints. I don't know how much more clear it could be. And this understanding has been working well for hundreds if not thousands of contributors to APUG, for a long time.
 

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The aforementioned bold statement actually says more. It gives some examples of what is not allowed in terms of manipulations. While it does not say in an accuracy that lawyers would require, the spirit of the requirements are rather clear to me. Do not upload images that very nature of the image has been digitally and significantly manipulated. At least that's how I interpreted it.

Anyway, I have no problem with what I see there.
 

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I think it's time to actually create a subforum just for this topic. We can then put the monthly "why doesn't APUG go digital", "images on APUG are digital", "DPUG isn't what I want", "Why can't this site be exactly what I WANT it to be" threads in there. We do the best we can and could never please everyone. Those involved with the day to day running of APUG are quite happy with the scope and content here. It's never fun drawing lines in the sand due to the inevitable fallout, but not drawing lines results in the same amount of fallout (typically on the backs of those running the site). Basically, we must find a realistic balance that is manageable to those running the system.

Images posted here are not part of a hybrid or digital workflow, they are not posted here in that context (this seems hard for some to understand). Images here are a method to give others a glimpse of what traditional work you are participating in.

Anyway, pours a glass of Pepto...
 

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I'm wondering in which case my images are more likely to fall within the rules allowing them to be legally posted in the APUG gallery and discussed in the forums.

1) I load a roll of film into an automatic Nikon or Canon or whatever film camera which reads the DX information and makes "proper" exposures for me. I take it to the local lab to be processed by a machine, which then produces a digital print and a digital disk. I either scan the digitally produced print or resize the file from the digital disk and send the image to APUG to be posted in the gallery and discussed by my fellow analog photographers.

2) I load a roll of film or sheet of film into my manual OM 1 or view camera, determine the proper exposure with a built in or hand held meter, make the exposure based on the best data I can collect,process the film and proof it in my darkroom. Review the images and determine how I want to produce my final print. I decide it might look best as a cyanotype. I scan the negative and make an enlarged negative to contact print as a cyanotype. My chemistry is mixed and coated onto the paper based on past experience of what works for making this type of print. I set up my processing line and no, it isn't just water. When the paper is dry I make the exposure in the UV light box I've make for doing my alt process exposures, process the print, air dry it and then flatten it. Spot it with a little Prussian Blue water color in much the same way I've used Spotone for decades and then I scan it to be presented to a group for discusssion. It might also be framed and hung on the wall.

The answer is obvious. In this case the lab digitally produced image is OK and the cyanotype image is not. That was the easy question.

The more telling question might be, "In which case will the members of this organization learn more about analog photography in a discussion about the image and the processes used to produce it?" The answer to this one is also rather obvious.

As one who has spent 40 plus years owning businesses, I learned long ago the most expensive words in any business are, "Because we have always done it that way." Although sometimes painful, change will occur as any organization grows and matures.

Bill Barber
 

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I think this has run it's course. If anyone has questions or concerns with the above discussion feel free to contact us offline (click "Contacts Us" in the site footer). Thanks
 
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