Scala still available

[ektachrome]

Hi all
I have found that Lupus Imaging still stock AGFA Scala 200x.
Here is the link: http://www.lupus-shop.de/-35/-34/-67.html?XTCsid=e9d8c85be0ce1d7ceb65e97c83202d78
I thought this was discontinued and the processing was not available.
Regards
Ektachrome

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Link does not function , I googled the Lupus Imaging and found the site but shop does not function. May be temporary thing.

Umut

 

[Zewrak]

Link does not function , I googled the Lupus Imaging and found the site but shop does not function. May be temporary thing.

Umut

scroll down. The site is below all the error messages.

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

thank you Zewrak.

 

[2F/2F]

Hi all
I have found that Lupus Imaging still stock AGFA Scala 200x.
Here is the link: http://www.lupus-shop.de/-35/-34/-67.html?XTCsid=e9d8c85be0ce1d7ceb65e97c83202d78
I thought this was discontinued and the processing was not available.
Regards
Ektachrome

The proprietary process is not available, but it works as a great punchy neg film, or it can be reversal processed using processes other than the Scala one. It can also be made to have somewhat normal contrast by overexposing and using highly diluted developer.

As a neg, I overexpose two stops and develop for 5-8 minutes in HC-110 dilution H for normal contrast. Or I rate at 200 and develop 5-8 minutes in HC-110 dilution B for high contrast.

I like it, but I would never pay a premium for it considering the options out there in terms of fresh films.

 

[CGW]

Must be old stock. While proprietary Agfa processing is long gone, this lab does superb work on Scala or reversal of current b&w materials:

http://www.dr5.com/

Not cheap but Scala and its processing were never giveaway priced anyway.

 

[nexus757]

Ilford FP4 works as an excellent a b/w slide film using this process: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20114271220441194.pdf

 

[richydicky]

Agfa Scala in 35mm is still available from a number of suppliers in Germany and possibly other countries in Europe. I bought a 5 pack earlier this year expiry date 2014. A number of labs in Germany and France still develop this, I got it done at Photo Studio13 in Germany for a reasonable cost. They also reverse process other films mainly Rollei types, I had a roll of 120 Superpan 200 done a the same time which came out well.

 

[Henning Serger]

Must be old stock.

That is right. It is still original Agfa Scala 200X produced by Agfa in Leverkusen, Germany, in 2005.
Due to a statement from Fotoimpex, stock will last until 2017.

The film is available for example at
www.fotoimpex.de
www.fotobrenner.de
www.nordfoto.de
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http://www.arkalab.com/arka-photo-lab-paris/photographic-laboratory.php
www.photostudio13.de

While proprietary Agfa processing is long gone,

That is wrong. The original Agfa Scala process has never been discontinued. The chemistry is produced on a regular basis (by Saal and Tetenal).
These European labs are offering the original Scala process:
www.photostudio13.de
http://www.phototechnik-berlin.de/
http://www.bildmanufaktur-muenchen.de/cms/bildmanufaktur-muenchen/
http://www.arkalab.com/arka-photo-lab-paris/photographic-laboratory.php

Some of these labs (e.g. Photostudio13) also offer development of further films in the Scala process, like Agfa Copex Rapid, Rollei Retro 80S, Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Infrared, Foma R100 etc.

The following European labs are offering BW reversal development with their own, special (self-designed) process:
www.schwarzweiss-dia.de
http://www.agenzialuce.it/agenziaen.swf
http://www.schlomsundschmitz.de/

Best regards,
Henning

 

[CGW]

That is right. It is still original Agfa Scala 200X produced by Agfa in Leverkusen, Germany, in 2005.
Due to a statement from Fotoimpex, stock will last until 2017.

The film is available for example at
www.fotoimpex.de
www.fotobrenner.de
www.nordfoto.de
Dead Link Removed
http://www.arkalab.com/arka-photo-lab-paris/photographic-laboratory.php
www.photostudio13.de



That is wrong. The original Agfa Scala process has never been discontinued. The chemistry is produced on a regular basis (by Saal and Tetenal).
These European labs are offering the original Scala process:
www.photostudio13.de
http://www.phototechnik-berlin.de/
http://www.bildmanufaktur-muenchen.de/cms/bildmanufaktur-muenchen/
http://www.arkalab.com/arka-photo-lab-paris/photographic-laboratory.php

Some of these labs (e.g. Photostudio13) also offer development of further films in the Scala process, like Agfa Copex Rapid, Rollei Retro 80S, Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Infrared, Foma R100 etc.

The following European labs are offering BW reversal development with their own, special (self-designed) process:
www.schwarzweiss-dia.de
http://www.agenzialuce.it/agenziaen.swf
http://www.schlomsundschmitz.de/

Best regards,
Henning

No longer available--film or processing--in N. America. Dr5 in Denver is the place for reversal processing of available b&w film materials.

http://www.dr5.com/

Who'd bother buying stale Scala anyway?

 

[Henning Serger]

No longer available--film or processing--in N. America. Dr5 in Denver is the place for reversal processing of available b&w film materials.

Well, I know, used them, too. And they also offer development of Scala 200X in their process. Therefore no problems for North Americans to get their Scala films reversal processed.
As said above, no problems to get the film for those who like it. Ordering from overseas is quite easy today, compared to former times.
And most of the mentioned labs, including dr5, are doing international business.
And perhaps the film will be listed again by N.A. distributors if photographers demand it. We've recently seen just this with several other products from Europe, e.g. Agfa Copex Rapid film, Spur and Tetenal chemistry.

Who'd bother buying stale Scala anyway?

Some photographers like the look of Tri-X, others that of HP5, some of Delta 100.......and some just like the unique look of Scala 200X. With it's darker reproduction of reds (it is a bit orthopanchromatic sensitised) this film has its own character. Not being worse or better than other BW slide films, just different.
The tastes of photographers are different, so are the films.
And Adox is working on a long term successor of Scala for the time when stock is depleted.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[richydicky]

I bought some earlier this year and it is dated to 2014. I got it developed at photostudio13, good service, nicely balanced tones and contrast and good price about the same or less less than commercial processing for B&W here in the UK. I also got some 120 film done at the same, as Henning says they process a range of other films, nice results too. I tried dr5 before but for European users it is a better option for original Scala film or for others especially 120 size.

 

[dr5chrome]

Henning Serger - If I didnt know better Id say you were deliberately trying to steer business away from us, in many of your posts you supply info like your advertising for these other labs.. FYI - It would cost someone in the N.America a fortune to send film to Germany instead of sending to us. I would put dr5 quality up against anything coming out of these other labs. My clients have sent us examples of their work... Best regards...

Well, I know, used them, too. And they also offer development of Scala 200X in their process. Therefore no problems for North Americans to get their Scala films reversal processed.
As said above, no problems to get the film for those who like it. Ordering from overseas is quite easy today, compared to former times.
And most of the mentioned labs, including dr5, are doing international business.
And perhaps the film will be listed again by N.A. distributors if photographers demand it. We've recently seen just this with several other products from Europe, e.g. Agfa Copex Rapid film, Spur and Tetenal chemistry.



Some photographers like the look of Tri-X, others that of HP5, some of Delta 100.......and some just like the unique look of Scala 200X. With it's darker reproduction of reds (it is a bit orthopanchromatic sensitised) this film has its own character. Not being worse or better than other BW slide films, just different.
The tastes of photographers are different, so are the films.
And Adox is working on a long term successor of Scala for the time when stock is depleted.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[AgX]

Henning Serger - If I didnt know better Id say you were deliberately trying to steer business away from us, in many of your posts you supply info like your advertising for these other labs.. FYI - It would cost someone in the N.America a fortune to send film to Germany instead of sending to us. I would put dr5 quality up against anything coming out of these other labs. My clients have sent us examples of their work... Best regards...

-) this is an international forum, refering to service providers in Europe does not necessarily mean trying to detract customers from a North-American provider

-) the OP was about Europe

-) Henning Serger even hinted at your business as provider of processing

 

[dr5chrome]

..his reply was to someone in the US - 'not' Europe. His numinous posts on the subject is repetitious. If one want an apples to apples, then I would be up for that.. otherwise lets keep it fair. Film Business is tough enough in the US.

-) this is an international forum, refering to service providers in Europe does not necessarily mean trying to detract customers from a North-American provider

-) the OP was about Europe

-) Henning Serger even hinted at your business as provider of processing

 

[AgX]

So far I have not seen any bias at the postings of Henning neither here nor at another forum. You however show a strong bias toward your own services.
You may consider doing regular advertising.

 

[cowanw]

..his reply was to someone in the US - 'not' Europe. His numinous posts on the subject is repetitious. If one want an apples to apples, then I would be up for that.. otherwise lets keep it fair. Film Business is tough enough in the US.

I think CGW is in Toronto, Canada.

 

[Henning Serger]

Dear David,

Henning Serger - If I didnt know better Id say you were deliberately trying to steer business away from us, in many of your posts you supply info like your advertising for these other labs..

I've never advertised 'these other labs', just given the information that they are existing.
And that the original Scala-Process is still existing and run by several labs.
I've only written that because two members in the beginning of the thread (one from the U.S. and one from Canada) said that this process is long dead and not offered anymore. Which is simply wrong.
I've only given the forum members here the correct information about the status of Scala processing.

And furthermore I've written in my post about your lab, I quote:
"Well, I know, used them, too. And they also offer development of Scala 200X in their process. Therefore no problems for North Americans to get their Scala films reversal processed."

And I have also in some threads here on apug explained why BW reversal is so awesome and unique. And that those photographers who have never tried so far absolutely should try it now.

Therefore it is ridiculous to say I would try to steer business away from you. That is definitely not the case.

FYI - It would cost someone in the N.America a fortune to send film to Germany instead of sending to us.

I've never recommended that.
The OP is from Europe, even the European Union, not from North America. It is much easier and hassle free to send films in between the EU compared to sending films across the Atlantic.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Bob Carnie]

FWIW I believe scala is basically agfa apx100 bW film.

I used this film with a Scala Lab Toronto Image Works to make film positives when making enlarged negatives for Pt Pd , worked very well. TIW no longer has an official Scala process. For that matter I do not think anyone does in NAmerica. DR5 has certainly figured out how to make film positives from many film brands and speeds.
Never used them but I understand there work is great.
Very interesting that there are official Scala Labs in Europe, that I did not know.

 

[georg16nik]

..his reply was to someone in the US - 'not' Europe. His numinous posts on the subject is repetitious. If one want an apples to apples, then I would be up for that.. otherwise lets keep it fair. Film Business is tough enough in the US.

The fact is, best labs are located in Germany.. like it or not.
The most convenient chemical kits for reversal are made by Tetenal in Germany or other skillful chemists in EU, Those kits would not be imported in US if they are crap. The labs in Germany are not from yesterday and Tetenal are veterans in quality and skills worldwide.
DR5 as a process is great (hats down to You) but that doesn't mean everything else is crap.
This thread as far as I see it, concerns Europe.

 

[Bob Carnie]

The fact is, best labs are located in Germany.. like it or not.

Really , and how do you come to this conclusion?

 

[AgX]

Please don't let this thread escalate.

Many things about Scala have been said, I learned a lot about European labs for what I am thankful, the stand of me and others of us concerning the reference to service providers and its legitimacy and the reaction to it by another has become clear.

Reasoning about quality in most general terms is difficult, a test on such matter would be the outcome. But this would be applicable of a lot of issues discussed here at Apug.

 

[Pat Erson]

Neither Germany nor the US : I'd pick Paris, France!

Seriously this lab ARKA does excellent job on Scala films (they sell them too) plus they're at one stone throw from the lovely Jardins du Luxembourg.

http://www.arkalab.com/arka-photo-lab-paris/photographic-laboratory.php

Long live Scala! :wizard:

 

[AgX]

Alessandro, where did you find any price at the ARKA lab website? I guess, you got to know by other means.


They even list Scala in 8x10". Id not even know that it existed in that format, I knew only of 4x5".

 

[Stephanie Brim]

30€ for a 35mm roll?
Too much...

With mounting for a special process? Eh...it's not too bad.