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She's a pretty woman. Is that AI?
Indeed. As if any of this actually matters!
It matters enough to Brits to pay the royals $135 million/year.
Thank you for fixing the very bizarre smiles!
Oops! I got them mixed up. Here’s the original:
I'm no expert on this but I thought the Crown's funds come from rents on its land holdings. As you might imagine, the Crown is by far the largest land owner in the UK, as a consequence of holding the kingdom's unenclosed lands dating back a millenium. It's not as if the King is on the payroll. At least, that's my understanding.
The rent you refer to is the rent from the Crown Estate. That land doesn't belong to the King; the Crown is not the King. The Crown Estate is a sort of public corporation. The bit of income from it that isn't paid to the King goes to the government, so it's a fair description to say the Estate belongs to 'the nation', and that the King *is* on the payroll.
Historically, George III ceded the land in exchange for an income. I wonder how they let the monarch get back any interest at all in the Estate after the Civil War and the Republic.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Of course, the king's personally extremely wealthy anyway. Some of the others are only very rich; I guess Andrew's not going to Pizza Express as often as he used to.
Historically, George III ceded the land in exchange for an income. I wonder how they let the monarch get back any interest at all in the Estate after the Civil War and the Republic.
Crown Estate - Wikipedia
Sovereign Grant Act 2011 - Wikipedia
Of course, the king's personally extremely wealthy anyway. Some of the others are only very rich; I guess Andrew's not going to Pizza Express as often as he used to.
I know better than to debate this with a British subject. But "payroll" suggests pay for work. Aren't the funds paid to the Crown a function of the laws and contracts that devolve from the king's historic role as ruler of the United Kingdom? "Payroll," at least as used in the US, implies a contractual exchange of money for work. The Crown properties might be quasi-public, in that the King may not alienate (sell) them and keep the proceeds. But I imagine the amounts paid to the King are a function of those instruments by which the King's former lands were transferred to their current holders.
Perhaps “on the dole” is how to express it?
But neither payroll or dole really fit the situation. They are all trust fund kids, I suppose.
But neither payroll or dole really fit the situation. They are all trust fund kids, I suppose.
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That's a few extra mittens there.
I suppose it all depends on how you define "on the payroll" For instance when Edward VIII had to abdicate in Dec 1936 he "lost his job of king and as far as I am aware virtually all the trappings of wealth bestowed on the king so in that sense what he was being paid as in owning his wealth was taken away He then had no access to his wealth that has been previously bestowed upon his position as monarch by the constitution.
I have no idea what would happen if King Charles III were to abdicate but if this were an agreeable abdication( i.e. one agreed by the constitution ) as opposed to Edward VIII's disagreeable one, then as far as I know all or practically all of his wealth is still immediately bestowed on his son, the current Prince of Wales by that same constitution . In that sense King Charles III does not own his wealth in anyway like say Elon Musk who can keep all of his current billions and add to that current modest amount all that he gets from the sale of all his assets
It's all a very complicated picture and not at all like the Clampett's visit to London when Jed's nephew, Jethro, found himself to be the owner of a castle and "Lord of the Manor" It was a very amusing episode however
pentaxuser
The king does have great personal wealth independent of the Sovereign Grant. This is why it's controversial that the wills of royal family members are kept secret.
en.wikipedia.org
As well as the Sovereign Grant, the King has all of the income from the Duchy of Lancaster; and he was previously Duke of Cornwall for many years, and got a large income from that. If he stops being King he stops being Duke of Lancaster, so he won't get that income next year; but he'll still have what it paid him up to now.
Back almost on topic, the word photoshopping was running through my mind, and it occurred to me to look who has the royal warrant to supply cameras (that is, who gets to have 'By appointment to HM the King, supplier of photographic equipment' or whatever on the boxes they pack their cameras in. Nobody, it seems to be. Wallace Heaton (old UK camera dealers; the company was bought by Dixons, but kept their Bond Street shop in London under the Wallace Heaton name; closed now anyway) had the royal warrant, but I was looking for a camera-maker, and I was expecting Leica to have it.
Anyhow, the best and most authoritative information I came up with in the time I allowed myself to worry about it was Hello magazine:
www.hellomagazine.com
..and Leica don't do badly. Her late M the Q is shown with an M3, and further down with (I think) an M6. Harry has a black Leica something (and elsewhere an Instax camera). Kate has (*had* - these pictures are a mixture of ages) a little Canon - maybe a Powershot G12. There's a photo of William on a swing with three kids who look awfully familiar.
Charles III - Wikipedia
As well as the Sovereign Grant, the King has all of the income from the Duchy of Lancaster; and he was previously Duke of Cornwall for many years, and got a large income from that. If he stops being King he stops being Duke of Lancaster, so he won't get that income next year; but he'll still have what it paid him up to now.
Back almost on topic, the word photoshopping was running through my mind, and it occurred to me to look who has the royal warrant to supply cameras (that is, who gets to have 'By appointment to HM the King, supplier of photographic equipment' or whatever on the boxes they pack their cameras in. Nobody, it seems to be. Wallace Heaton (old UK camera dealers; the company was bought by Dixons, but kept their Bond Street shop in London under the Wallace Heaton name; closed now anyway) had the royal warrant, but I was looking for a camera-maker, and I was expecting Leica to have it.
Anyhow, the best and most authoritative information I came up with in the time I allowed myself to worry about it was Hello magazine:
When royals get behind the camera and take their own photographs
Not all royals use a professional…
www.hellomagazine.com
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The king does have great personal wealth independent of the Sovereign Grant. This is why it's controversial that the wills of royal family members are kept secret.
Charles III - Wikipedia
As well as the Sovereign Grant, the King has all of the income from the Duchy of Lancaster; and he was previously Duke of Cornwall for many years, and got a large income from that. If he stops being King he stops being Duke of Lancaster, so he won't get that income next year; but he'll still have what it paid him up to now.
So whatever happens to our current King in terms of his ceasing to be King he will retain ownership of the Duchy of Cornwall and in that sense he is the Elon Musk of that income It cannot in any circumstance, even involving a criminal offence or otherwise creating a constitutional crisis similar in level to that of Edward VIII be taken away?
pentaxuser
The King has already lost the Duchy of Cornwall, which is part and parcel of being Prince of Wales, I think. William is now Duke of Cornwall, so he gets all the income from that. The King is now Duke of Lancaster instead, and gets something like 24 million a year from the land rents etc. If he stops being King, he stops being the Duke too, so he won't get any more rents, but he keeps whatever he has received while he was the Duke. Just as if I lose my job, I won't get paid any more, but they don't come and take back all the money they ever paid me.
As Americans who visited London last year, we watched the changing of the guard at Buckingham which appears to be a great draw for foreign visitors. London Tower and the royal jewels appear to be great draws as well, although we skipped those. We just missed the inauguration of the King. There were still traffic bypasses and guard rails up all over the place. The royals probably earn their cost in tourism income alone.
A big secret about Buckingham Palace: Walk up to the gate and ask the guard to sign the King's Visitor book. You and your friends will be let in, be walked across the courtyard, while everyone outside the fence watch you, enter the palace through a door and be escorted to a table to sign the book and then walked out of the palace, across the courtyard and let out the gate. Everyone seeing you will wonder why you are such a big shot to be allowed in.
I did that while Elizabeth II was alive. For my location I put "From the former colony of Maryland".
Sounds like we were singing the same tune on the songsheet I was never suggesting that the income received to date would be taken away. Simply that it is not the King's to sell unlike say Musk who can sell and keep the proceeds
In effect he only has an income as long as the constitution allows him to have one. He would be effectively "on the dole" as Brian Shaw has said
pentaxuser
Honestly, I think it was AI generated. The hands look a bit fake
Hey, good to see you around!
This is not my beautiful wife.
You're lucky they let you back out after admitting you're from the former colonies.
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