I have a question of curiosity for any Brit who might be so kind to satisfy. To preface, I never check the "remember me" box, because by so doing, many off-subject threads are hidden. If I log in to answer a post, it is some time before the system releases me, and this one caught my eye, as any repair thread does.
I ask my question with no opinion of my own expressed or implied. It's a simple free-standing question of English law, which is the basis of US law.
So here goes: If a Brit were to send a letter of social or political opinion as such; along with a customer's item, and you reported it to the police, what would happen? Would they come get him and prosecute, put his name on a "watchlist", would they seize his possessions or property, or what?
In the US, the po-po have got too many troublemakers to keep an eye on, they'd be overwhelmed if they had to go after every blabbermouth. I would have supposed in England it would largely be the same way.
No it isn't the same way, spreading racial hatred in Britain is a very serious crime, read these.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8144366.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8010537.stm
I'm not a lawyer Matt nor a religious person but I feel that respect for your fellow man whatever their race creed or colour and decency in ones behaviour to others under natural justice sometimes transcends the law, and for the law to ignore verbal or written racially abusive and highly offensive comments under the cloak of free speech I.M.O is wrong.The critical point though is that there is a specific, well/narrowly defined offense that can be charged.
The onus on the crown would be to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the offending communication was squarely within the terms of the defined crime. Any doubt would be resolved in favour of the accused.
The classic discussions about legally prescribed "speech" use the example of falsely crying "fire" in a crowded theatre to illustrate how while the right to free speech is to be protected, that right isn't absolute.
In Canada (partly excepting Quebec), English law also formed the basis of our law, albeit English law that had evolved for about 90 years after the US started. We too have enacted anti-hate speech legislation. It is difficult to prove a charge laid under that legislation (as it should be) but successful prosecutions have occurred.
See my point?
Not apologizing for him. I think it's dumb too. I'm just a middle of the road guy. Political correctness is just as offensive as what it claims to counter. Call it just so much water running off this duck's back. Sticks and stones...
i totally agree ... i don't really think that is very controversial ... maybe annoying to someone who doesn't want to hear it,
... to me its about as controversial as someone saying "God Bless You" when you sneeze ...
Probably so, and do it just as well. Try to understand the guy's frustrations. He's just a frustrated guy like a lot of us trying to get a handle on understanding the cultural rot that is happening to America. Certainly not the first guy who pins blame on the Jews, but he'll move past that in his quest to understand the problem, and probably look back and wished he hadn't sent out all that. Pinning the blame on Jews has been done before in history, and has never worked out well for thousands of years. I wouldn't give it another thought.
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Probably so, and do it just as well. Try to understand the guy's frustrations. He's just a frustrated guy like a lot of us trying to get a handle on understanding the cultural rot that is happening to America. Certainly not the first guy who pins blame on the Jews, but he'll move past that in his quest to understand the problem, and probably look back and wished he hadn't sent out all that. Pinning the blame on Jews has been done before in history, and has never worked out well for thousands of years. I wouldn't give it another thought.
The person who posted scans was just as wrong doing so as the original sin. In this case, 2 wrongs did not add up to a right.
As for me I chimed in when I had already promised myself not to ever get sucked into these political discussions that seem to continually plague this board. But when people wax "politically correct", that is just as annoying as anything else.
I owned a Kowa Six MM that had a badly scratched front lens element. I called Ross, had a nice conversation with the guy (in spanish), and less than a week later I had the front element in my mailbox.
We will spend our entire lives doing business with individuals and companies that have the some twisted, perverse, or strange views about life. Some of these will have actually engaged in questionable, unethical, or illegal activities. Anyone buy bananas from Chiquita? Well, they have funded (in part) the 60 year old war still taking place in my country (Colombia), however, I think it's best if we leave these debates and topics out of the medium format subforum.
I miss my Kowa
I have never heard anyone try to claim that antisemitism was just a matter of "political" perspective. Well, that's not quite true. I have certainty read about others who made a similar argument during the first half of the last century but that didn't turn out very well for anyone involved, i.e pretty much the whole planet.
And your drawing a false equivalency between those decrying bigotry and antisemitism as mere "political correctness" is absolutely amazing.
I'm out of this discussion. If the guy had left off the first paragraph and just left it as his disappointment in the deterioration of American culture, he would've had enough of an uphill battle with that much alone these days.
This whole thread should never have deteriorated into what he did. The person who posted scans was just as wrong doing so as the original sin. In this case, 2 wrongs did not add up to a right.
As for me I chimed in when I had already promised myself not to ever get sucked into these political discussions that seem to continually plague this board. But when people wax "politically correct", that is just as annoying as anything else.
I don't even have a dog in this fight. So with that--sorry, guys.
+1another thread to put on ignore !
And BTW, the biggest racists are generally those to make the loudest racist claims!
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