Ron, it's thursday, what is Kodaks announcement?

[PHOTOTONE]

Since you indicated that the Kodak announcement today would be related to product...or at least i think you did...I have placed this post in the Product Availability forum.

So what is it? Are they bringing back Panatomic-X? (ha ha)

Inquiring minds geographically far away from Rochester need to know.

 

[Curt]

Perez Quote of the week. . .

"Film is going to follow its own destiny," he said. "Right now, entertainment (motion-picture) imaging is very stable, is very good for the company. ... If that goes digital, which eventually I believe it will, then we'll do something else. We will do what's better for the shareholders."

... and screw the individuals that have been using film their entire lives...




Excuse me I am going to the toilet to throw up, again.

and no I'm not Ron

 

[PHOTOTONE]

Well after looking around the internet, it MAY be the announcement of a new line of inkjet printers with cheap inks. But this announcement was on tuesday.

 

[jstraw]

Ron indicated that the announcment actually came several days ago and was indeed, the inkjet printers.

 

[jgjbowen]

The Wall Street Journal stated today that Kodak intends to cut an additional 3,000 jobs, bringing the total to 30,000. So much for today's "Kodak Moment"

 

[Photo Engineer]

Inkjet printers with very low cost inks. One cartridge style will fit all EK printers. Uses extremely stable pigments for archival prints. Uses top of the line color rendering software to give color that equals the best color prints.

Announcement made Tuesday. IDK why.

Friday, they promise to print the results of meetings with shareholders.

PE

 

[johnnywalker]

Sounds like a smart move on Kodak's part. Didn't realize they were going to use pigment inks. They will turn the printer market upside down with this business model, presuming the printers are any good, which I'm sure they will be.

 

[jstraw]

I'm not expert enough to know if they will or won't but the best first step is to offer something new, different and better and I applaud that. I'd like to think that anything that's good for the health of Kodak, *could* be good for us analoggers.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Now if they could add a slot next to those card reader slots where you can feed your 35mm film in and have the machine scan it and spit out a print, that would be something.

 

[Nick Zentena]

Low cost ink would tend to mean expensive printers. The model up to now has been give away the printer and make your money on ink.

 

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

So nobody is going to scream despair at the potential sale/spin of the film unit, now that it's in the papers? Good. Keep breathing quietly, guys. No need to get angry.

 

[PHOTOTONE]

Low cost ink would tend to mean expensive printers. The model up to now has been give away the printer and make your money on ink.

Well, one would think that, but the initial models talked about range from about $150 to about $300, and that $300 one is an all-in-one, fax, copy, print type of thingy.

 

[rtuttle]

With cheap printers and expensive ink cartridges has anybody ever done a study on what the long term environmental effects are? I personally think the effects will be worse than film. We can reclaim a lot of the film, what are we going to do with all these outdated desktops and printers. I know the transfer station I use for garbage (and I live in a extremly small town <3k) is loaded with computer garbage. They never had a dumpster full of cameras.

 

[copake_ham]

With cheap printers and expensive ink cartridges has anybody ever done a study on what the long term environmental effects are? I personally think the effects will be worse than film. We can reclaim a lot of the film, what are we going to do with all these outdated desktops and printers. I know the transfer station I use for garbage (and I live in a extremly small town <3k) is loaded with computer garbage. They never had a dumpster full of cameras.

I wonder how many people toss out computers with the hard drives still on them?

I wonder how much private info is contained on those hard drives?

Remember, no matter how you discard the old 'puter - make sure to remove the HD and effectively destroy it before doing so. Just erasing it clean will not keep "bad guys" from getting to your personal data.

 

[JBrunner]

I wonder how many people toss out computers with the hard drives still on them?

I wonder how much private info is contained on those hard drives?

Remember, no matter how you discard the old 'puter - make sure to remove the HD and effectively destroy it before doing so. Just erasing it clean will not keep "bad guys" from getting to your personal data.

You can erase a hardrive without destroying it (say you were selling it, or donating it). No software or computer erasure program can do it, however you can utterly obliterate any information or echos of information by erasing the drive with a magnetic bulk eraser, such as TV stations used to erase 1" and 2" reel to reel video tapes.

EDIT-I have only used it on disposing of drives, now that I think of it, I wonder of the delicate parts of the mechanism would survive the magnetic field. It may be just a good way to destroy a drive

 

[Photo Engineer]

IBM has told Kodak that they can read original data up to 16 layers deep on hard drives even after thorough erasure.

Kodak implemented a policy of observed crushing of hard disk drives. Even if the drive is under warranty, if it is crushed and returned to the mfgr, the contract says that the warranty will be honored and the drive replaced.

Just FYI. Kodak takes security seriously and destroys all HDs.

PE

 

[Travis Nunn]

You can erase a hardrive without destroying it (say you were selling it, or donating it). No software or computer erasure program can do it, however you can utterly obliterate any information or echos of information by erasing the drive with a magnetic bulk eraser, such as TV stations used to erase 1" and 2" reel to reel video tapes.

A degausser is what you're talking about.

There are software packages that will remove all traces of data from a hard drive as long as it is US Department of Defense 5220.22 M compliant, like KillDisk, for example.

 

[JBrunner]

A degausser is what you're talking about.

There are software packages that will remove all traces of data from a computer as long as it is US Department of Defense 5220.22 M compliant, like KillDisk, for example.

Yes, they are sometimes called degaussers, although we prefered the term bulk eraser for the erasing unit and degausser CRT zapper.

FWW I wouldn't trust any software, because then I'm trusting a human somewhere. I would trust the total randomization provided by an intensly powerful magnetic field, because I am then trusting nothing but physics.

 

[aldevo]

Low cost ink would tend to mean expensive printers. The model up to now has been give away the printer and make your money on ink.

True, but we've seen the recent appearance of "generic inks" and now "refill stations" where existing ink cartridges can be re-filled at a pharmacy (e.g. "Walgreens" in the USA) for half the cost of new ones. So I'm not sure if the existing model would continue to work long-term.

And, yes, the printers will cost more than equivalent offerings from, say, Lexmark.

 

[copake_ham]

.....
FWW I wouldn't trust any software, because then I'm trusting a human somewhere. I would trust the total randomization provided by an intensly powerful magnetic field, because I am then trusting nothing but physics.

Agree on this. I'd place my trust in a sledgehammer!

 

[rtuttle]

I have also heard that information can be recovered from a hard drive. There are companies that do that in a clean room.

 

[aldevo]

If anybody is curious about the inkjet printing market, this is a good article:

http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070208/26447_id.html?.v=1

I think it comes down to this: If the printers produce a reasonably satisfactory finished product - will consumers be willing to pay more up front to save more later.

In the long run, the EK printers sound like a good deal - but do consumers think about the long run?

 

[aldevo]

I have also heard that information can be recovered from a hard drive. There are companies that do that in a clean room.

Yes, there are plenty of outfits that advertise ISO 9001:2000 clean rooms for data recovery. None guarantee results...

 

[HerrBremerhaven]

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=2709&pq-locale=en_US&gpcid=0900688a80673608

Kodak Press Release about film.


Ciao!

Gordon Moat
Dead Link Removed

 

[johnnywalker]

True, but we've seen the recent appearance of "generic inks" and now "refill stations" where existing ink cartridges can be re-filled at a pharmacy (e.g. "Walgreens" in the USA) for half the cost of new ones.

Is this also true with pigment inks?