Rollei RPX 400 vs. AGFAphoto APX 400 - both kentmere?

[GarageBoy]

Are both of these the same, just rebranded? This Rollei/agfaphoto mess is confusing

 

[piu58]

APX 400 (new) ist Kentmere. RPX 400 is different.

BUT

APX 100 (new) ist Kenmere (of course) and at least very similar to RPX 100.

 

[Oscar Carlsson]

None really knows, and to be frank, does it really matter?

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

NO, NO, NO, etc.
And there's no mess in there.
They are both companies/brands that get their stock from 3rd parties.
Both RPX400 and APX400 are CUSTOM emulsions coated at Harman Technology Ltd. facilities in the UK.

This has been said time after time in this forum.
Just do a search.

 

[Athiril]

The difference is RPX 400 comes in 120

 

[Richard S. (rich815)]

NO, NO, NO, etc.
And there's no mess in there.
They are both companies/brands that get their stock from 3rd parties.
Both RPX400 and APX400 are CUSTOM emulsions coated at Harman Technology Ltd. facilities in the UK.

This has been said time after time in this forum.
Just do a search.

Ah come on Ricardo! If people did that the forums would be almost empty!

 

[GarageBoy]

Every thread in my search has come up as "do a search" ...

I just don't want to pay double for rebranded Kentmere if it's just that

 

[miha]

Both RPX400 and APX400 are CUSTOM emulsions coated at Harman Technology Ltd. facilities in the UK.

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Was this revealed to you by Harman, AgfaPhoto, or Maco?

 

[pdeeh]

So buy a roll of each and see which one you like best.
If they turn out exactly the same in your "workflow" buy the cheaper one.
Problem, such as it is, solved ...

 

[miha]

Both RPX400 and APX400 are CUSTOM emulsions coated at Harman Technology Ltd. facilities in the UK.

.

Was this revealed to you by Harman, AgfaPhoto, or Maco?

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Was this revealed to you by Harman, AgfaPhoto, or Maco?

It has been said here by Simon more than once.
In fact, this morning in another thread I posted a bunch of links to Simon's posts.
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[miha]

It has been said here by Simon more than once.
In fact, this morning in another thread I posted a bunch of links to Simon's posts.
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Thanks, I remember the posts linked when originally written by Simon. None, however, answers my question to you.

 

[pentaxuser]

I recall that when Simon regularly visited APUG and gave us llford's position, few if any questioned his statements or Ilford's integrity. I wonder if we'd have got into this kind of argument then?

Another good reason why Pemberstone might want to have more of a presence here that is currently the case.

I might be wrong but I sense a "chipping away" in terms of our belief in Harman now we hear less of the Harman/Pemberstone voice.

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

In today's marketplace, why would Harman re-badge film? They are a contract manufacturer who maker money when you ask them to design and manufacture a custom emulsion. And they are a manufacturer with at least two widely distributed film lines, which they spend money to brand and promote.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Thanks, I remember the posts linked when originally written by Simon. None, however, answers my question to you.

It answers your questions.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

I recall that when Simon regularly visited APUG and gave us llford's position, few if any questioned his statements or Ilford's integrity. I wonder if we'd have got into this kind of argument then?

Another good reason why Pemberstone might want to have more of a presence here that is currently the case.

I might be wrong but I sense a "chipping away" in terms of our belief in Harman now we hear less of the Harman/Pemberstone voice.

pentaxuser

It seems to me that it is just some people that can't read or do a search.
I find it very insulting that some question statements made in good faith by people of good character.

 

[GarageBoy]

Sorry for asking, because the answers are sooooooo clear...

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

It seems to me that it is just some people that can't read or do a search.
I find it very insulting that some question statements made in good faith by people of good character.

Problem is, that person of good character is no longer with the company, which has been bought out by another corporation. That changes EVERYTHING.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

There isn't a problem in asking questions, provided one can't find the answer.

Problem is, that person of good character is no longer with the company, which has been bought out by another corporation. That changes EVERYTHING.

No, it doesn't change anything if you think about it.
The films in question were introduced some years ago and their formulation hasn't changed, or have they?
"New Emulsion" APX400 was introduced Summer of 2013 and RPX400 a few years earlier.
There was a gentleman (Henning?) who scientifically tested RPX400 and K400.
They are different.

 

[pentaxuser]

Problem is, that person of good character is no longer with the company, which has been bought out by another corporation. That changes EVERYTHING.

More accurately: one person of good character is no longer with the company. Another corporation has bought the company but several former Harman executives remain and I don't think we can yet say whether the new company will affect a change for the better or worse or leave the Harman ethos unchanged

pentaxuser

 

[miha]

There isn't a problem in asking questions, provided one can't find the answer.


No, it doesn't change anything if you think about it.
The films in question were introduced some years ago and their formulation hasn't changed, or have they?
"New Emulsion" APX400 was introduced Summer of 2013 and RPX400 a few years earlier.
There was a gentleman (Henning?) who scientifically tested RPX400 and K400.
They are different.

you do realise they were two version of the RPX400 film? Plus there is Fotoimpex CHM 400, claimed by Fotoimpex to be Kentmere.
And what about all the RC papers made by Harman: Kentmere VC Select, ADOX Easy Print, Tetenal TT Vario Format, Bergger Prestige RC, Imago Photographic RC VC - all different emulsion? I don't think so.

 

[pdeeh]

I don't think so.

and there's the problem with these threads - everybody thinks something, but they have no evidence other than their own beliefs or their own interpretation of the statements of those who really do know (i.e. the actual manufacturers).

Only the execs at Harman and the companies who market these different products know what's what - and, for obvious reasons, they aren't telling.

The rest is pure speculation.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

you do realise they were two version of the RPX400 film? Plus there is Fotoimpex CHM 400, claimed by Fotoimpex to be Kentmere.
And what about all the RC papers made by Harman: Kentmere VC Select, ADOX Easy Print, Tetenal TT Vario Format, Bergger Prestige RC, Imago Photographic RC VC - all different emulsion? I don't think so.

I know of the 2 versions.

Only the execs at Harman and the companies who market these different products know what's what - and, for obvious reasons, they aren't telling.

The rest is pure speculation.

That says everything.

 

[miha]

Only the execs at Harman and the companies who market these different products know what's what - and, for obvious reasons, they aren't telling.

But they are telling, at least MACO and Fotoimpex are.
English is not the only language that is used for spreding these information. Reading German forums helps.

 

[Xmas]

But no one said they were the same emulsions?
Merely manufactured at Harmans site?
Adox may be production coating in Switzerland soon?
The world may not be hit by asteroid soon?

 

[miha]

But no one said they were the same emulsions?

No, not here, and not in English.