Rollei IR400S - it's not HIE, but WOW...

[ME Super]

Got my second roll of Rollei IR400S back from the lab this week. I've been shooting it with one of the inexpensive Chinese filters. The first roll I shot with EIs ranging from 3-12. I wasn't happy with the detail I'd received from the scans or prints, so this roll I shot at EI 25. It doesn't have the halation effect I've seen in photos made with HIE, but I'm pretty happy with the results.

It also does pretty decent as a panchromatic B&W film, though for that I think I'll stick with Ilford's B&W line. The first two photos are shot at EI 25 with the aforementioned IR filter, the others are shot at EI 400 with no filter.

 

[Hatchetman]

Looks pretty good. I've been meaning to shoot some of this. At one time I thought they recommended their own special developer, which I didn't want to bother with. Looks like you can you D-76 or whatever...

 

[Jeff Kubach]

I like those shots.

Jeff

 

[ME Super]

I don't think this film is "picky" about what developer is used on it. Probably most any B&W developer can be used, and of course the developer will impose its own characteristics on the film, but you should be able to get something useful out of it.

Cool thing is shooting this at f/8 with an EI of 25 you can easily handhold this, though you're not gonna see anything through the viewfinder with an SLR and IR filter. It would probably work awesomely with a rangefinder or TLR.

 

[ME Super]

I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but I did an experiment with the Rollei IR400s and thought I would share the results. All of these were taken within a few minutes of each other at the same location, with a tripod. This was a sunny day with clear skies and a couple wispy clouds. All are lab scans of the negatives, which were also processed by the same lab.

#1: Shot at EI 400 with TTL metering, no filter.
#2: Shot at EI 400 with TTL metering, #25 red filter.
#3: Shot at EI 400 with TTL metering, #25 red filter + 80A blue filter (just an experiment)
#4: Shot at EI 25 with an IR 720 filter
#5: Shot at EI 12 with an IR 720 filter
#6: Shot at EI 6 with an IR 720 filter.



My thoughts: I was not expecting the foliage to be as much lighter as it was in #2 There definitely is some wood effect going on here.. I did #3 totally out of curiosity. I figured the blue light was probably mostly blocked by the red filter, but there seems to be some difference between #2 and #3. #4 is where I normally shoot this film with an IR720 filter, for the darker skies. I don't see much difference in shadow detail between 4, 5, and 6, what I do see is that the sky gets lighter with more exposure. I don't see as much wood effect in #3 as there are in 4, 5, and 6, and the sky is definitely darker in 6 than in 3, but I find it interesting that there's that much wood effect and darkening of the sky in #3.

 

[scheimfluger_77]

That's pretty cool! I think you could pull back on developing time on #4 and still retain plenty of wood effect while darkening your sky a little more. And you do definitely have good shadow detail. Did you do much with the curves when scanning?

 

[ME Super]

No, it was the lab's normal process with whatever chemistry they use, and their regular scanner. I assume it did some autocorrect but that was about it. I'm not set up to develop film at home, and this lab does a good job, so as long as they continue to do a good job and the prices stay reasonable, I see no reason at this point to stop using them.

 

[Hatchetman]

Unfortunately summer's almost over!

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Unfortunately summer's almost over!

There in Chicago for certain... but not here in south Texas.

 

[Hatchetman]

There in Chicago for certain... but not here in south Texas.

There's nothing green there anyway.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

There's nothing green there anyway.

Oh, I dunno. I'm green with envy of those with cooler weather.

ME SUPER: Is the grain in those examples typical of this film?

 

[ME Super]

I put the negatives on my tablet (which I'm using to type this), which has a light box app installed on it, and viewed them through a 50mm f/2.0 lens backwards, essentially using it as a loupe. Grain was visible this way that want visible in the lab scans. It wasn't horrible grain. it has a pleasing pattern to it. Finer than HP5+ but not as fine as Provia 100F (that stuff's practically grain less!) I can't compare it to slower B&W films since I haven't shot any of those in a long time. You'll end up with finer grain in prints if you're shooting medium or large format, of course, due to the larger negative. These were shot on 35mm film.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Yup. I started liking this film more and more since last summer.

 

[Paul Manuell]

I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but I did an experiment with the Rollei IR400s and thought I would share the results. All of these were taken within a few minutes of each other at the same location, with a tripod. This was a sunny day with clear skies and a couple wispy clouds. All are lab scans of the negatives, which were also processed by the same lab.

#1: Shot at EI 400 with TTL metering, no filter.
#2: Shot at EI 400 with TTL metering, #25 red filter.
#3: Shot at EI 400 with TTL metering, #25 red filter + 80A blue filter (just an experiment)
#4: Shot at EI 25 with an IR 720 filter
#5: Shot at EI 12 with an IR 720 filter
#6: Shot at EI 6 with an IR 720 filter.

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My thoughts: I was not expecting the foliage to be as much lighter as it was in #2 There definitely is some wood effect going on here.. I did #3 totally out of curiosity. I figured the blue light was probably mostly blocked by the red filter, but there seems to be some difference between #2 and #3. #4 is where I normally shoot this film with an IR720 filter, for the darker skies. I don't see much difference in shadow detail between 4, 5, and 6, what I do see is that the sky gets lighter with more exposure. I don't see as much wood effect in #3 as there are in 4, 5, and 6, and the sky is definitely darker in 6 than in 3, but I find it interesting that there's that much wood effect and darkening of the sky in #3.

Sorry for bumping a reeeally old thread, but this is of huge interest to me as I've just bought a couple of IR720 filters, and your pictures give the best example of differences at different exposure compensations. To me, number 4 is the best result.

One thing puzzles me though; assuming these were all taken on the same roll of film, did you literally change the camera's El (iso/asa) settings between shots?

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but I did an experiment with the Rollei IR400s and thought I would share the results. All of these were taken within a few minutes of each other at the same location, with a tripod. ...

Wow. Thank you! This is very valuable to me and the type of experiment I've been looking for.

Paul, thanks for reactivating this thread!

 

[ME Super]

Sorry for bumping a reeeally old thread, but this is of huge interest to me as I've just bought a couple of IR720 filters, and your pictures give the best example of differences at different exposure compensations. To me, number 4 is the best result.

One thing puzzles me though; assuming these were all taken on the same roll of film, did you literally change the camera's El (iso/asa) settings between shots?

Hey no problem, I'm glad to help out. I like #4 the best too. Here's the answer to what puzzles you. The camera I used has a built-in meter which I left set at ISO 400. The first three shots I did with the camera's built-in TTL meter, metering through the red and the red+blue filter in aperture priority mode (it's likely I was shooting a 28mm lens at f/8 and focused at 10 feet, putting everything from 5 feet to infinity in focus). Shots 4, 5, and 6 I did a bit differently. Again, I left the camera set at f/8 and 10 feet, but put the camera in manual mode. I adjusted the shutter speed so that the camera's meter said it was correctly exposed at ISO 400. Then for shot #4 I slowed the shutter speed 4 stops to get to ISO 25, screwed the IR720 filter on, and took the shot. Add one more stop of exposure each for shots 5 and 6 to get to ISO 12 and 6, respectively, with the filter left on the lens.

Cheers, hope this helps you in your IR photography!

 

[Paul Manuell]

Hey no problem, I'm glad to help out. I like #4 the best too. Here's the answer to what puzzles you. The camera I used has a built-in meter which I left set at ISO 400. The first three shots I did with the camera's built-in TTL meter, metering through the red and the red+blue filter in aperture priority mode (it's likely I was shooting a 28mm lens at f/8 and focused at 10 feet, putting everything from 5 feet to infinity in focus). Shots 4, 5, and 6 I did a bit differently. Again, I left the camera set at f/8 and 10 feet, but put the camera in manual mode. I adjusted the shutter speed so that the camera's meter said it was correctly exposed at ISO 400. Then for shot #4 I slowed the shutter speed 4 stops to get to ISO 25, screwed the IR720 filter on, and took the shot. Add one more stop of exposure each for shots 5 and 6 to get to ISO 12 and 6, respectively, with the filter left on the lens.

Cheers, hope this helps you in your IR photography!

Ah, so it was actually the shutter speed you altered, not the ISO itself, ie., you adjusted the shutter speed by the amount of stops necessary to get the equivalent shutter speed you'd have got if the camera was loaded with film of that ISO. I get it now

 

[Paul Manuell]

Wow. Thank you! This is very valuable to me and the type of experiment I've been looking for.

Paul, thanks for reactivating this thread!

You're welcome, I hope it proves as useful for you as it does for me.

 

[Paul Manuell]

Just to bump this thread because the comparison photos in a post by ME Super further up proved to be extremely useful for me when shooting my first ever roll of SFX200 recently (and have since shot a second roll too). If interested, I started my own thread about my working practice with it and posted some photos: 'My first attempt with SFX200'