Rollei Digibase CR200 Pro slide film

[cmo]

Theres too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion

In that case I have to correct the old Genesis lyrics:

This is a land of deception.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Yes but as was pointed out by someone who worked in a lab they want to know when they are cross processing so that they can rebalance their chemistry,

So just badging an E6 film as C41 process is subterfuge and rather deceptive.

Ian

This is a fair criticism. Professional labs that cross process often run cross processing at the end of the day, so it doesn't mess up anyone else's film or slow down the line in the middle of the day, when they may be getting rush orders. The lab needs to know what's really in the can.

 

[Ian Grant]

All Rollei-Maco input about the CN200, CR200 and the related Crossbird and Redbird films seems to be deleted from APUG.
By deleting threads the only information source is the German http://www.aphog.de forum where you can only read in German about these new products.

Actually the complete thread is still there but closed. Unfortunately a small group of people, or maybe even just one or two with multiple aliases began posting about Maco products all over the place, it was obviously a concerted effort to raise Maco/Rollei's profile in a rather under hand way.

If you did the same people would get justifiably annoyed and now doubt moderators would take action. However you don't and instead you make a valuable and informed contribution to this website, and people respect you for that.

Some of us have friends in Germany so we do hear what's said on Aphog "Sebastian Junghans [translation -- Those, who get deliberately upset in a very important English speaking forum about our market introduction of the Crossbird, I see as appalling uninformed.

Unfortunately accompanied with an even more appalling manifested ignorance, intensified by weird kind of wording, which lack any decency and respect.”

Respect is a two way thing, and Sebastian and his friends weren't respecting the way this website works. I'd have to say how wrong he is, most members here are very well informed and know how to cross process, some buy from Maco/Rollei or their distributors. But some APUG members who are German speakers feel that those same people who posted here are also ruining Aphog.

People welcome sensible above the board product announcements, but you don't see employees of Ilford, Freestyle (Rollei & Foma US Importer) or any other sposnor making sales pitches in the general run of the mill Forums here.

Since joining APUG I've bought from a few Sponsors here and will continue to do so, I've even encouraged others to join & become a sponsor.Although I've not bought from you (yet) I became aware of your Online store, and I've checked ut out a few times, you have the right approach and I respect taht.

Ian

 

[tef312]

[...] Unfortunately a small group of people, or maybe even just one or two with multiple aliases began posting about Maco products all over the place, it was obviously a concerted effort to raise Maco/Rollei's profile in a rather under hand way.
[...]
But some APUG members who are German speakers feel that those same people who posted here are also ruining Aphog.
[...]

Ian

This is really true!

 

[ntenny]

To take the thread back to its original subject, I've just gotten my first roll of the E-6 CR200 back from Dwayne's. I haven't shot slide film since I was a kid, so I'm not at all confident that I can discern much about the film itself, but I'm fairly happy with the results, all things considered.

It looks like I underexposed a touch; the slides look good when held up to a bright light, but it has to be a *bright* light to see them clearly, and on scanning them (or I assume projecting them, but I can't find the projector!) it becomes clear that some shadow detail is missing. The colours seem quite nice to my eye, not particularly saturated but quite realistic; I shot through a warming filter and I think it was more than I needed.

But the film looks pretty grainy, enough to impair the sense of sharpness in the images. It's a 200 ASA film, of course; I don't expect miracles, but it seems grainier than my expectations even with that in mind. Is this the same thing other users are finding, or is it a side effect of underexposure?

Thanks

-NT

 

[EASmithV]

To take the thread back to its original subject, I've just gotten my first roll of the E-6 CR200 back from Dwayne's. I haven't shot slide film since I was a kid, so I'm not at all confident that I can discern much about the film itself, but I'm fairly happy with the results, all things considered.

It looks like I underexposed a touch; the slides look good when held up to a bright light, but it has to be a *bright* light to see them clearly, and on scanning them (or I assume projecting them, but I can't find the projector!) it becomes clear that some shadow detail is missing. The colours seem quite nice to my eye, not particularly saturated but quite realistic; I shot through a warming filter and I think it was more than I needed.

But the film looks pretty grainy, enough to impair the sense of sharpness in the images. It's a 200 ASA film, of course; I don't expect miracles, but it seems grainier than my expectations even with that in mind. Is this the same thing other users are finding, or is it a side effect of underexposure?

Thanks

-NT

I've been meaning to try this for a while. Apparently it is a grainy film.

 

[RobertV]

RSXII (Rollei CR200) was never a very fine grained film but with high saturated colors so in that way very suitable to try in cross processing.

So I can imagine the idea about Crossbird.

 

[Ektagraphic]

It is rather grainy. More so than E200.

 

[EASmithV]

It is rather grainy. More so than E200.

If it's as you say and has a grain and color rendering similar to that of Kodachrome, then it is something that I am definately going to try.

That as well as cross processing c41 film in e6. I've heard that the results you get are fairly useless doing that, so naturally I want to try it.

 

[Ektagraphic]

I wouldn't say that the grain is similar to Kodachrome. Kodachrome less grainy than this.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

I wouldn't say that the grain is similar to Kodachrome. Kodachrome less grainy than this.

Which Kodachrome? I found K200 to be fairly grainy.

 

[Ektagraphic]

I am talking about 64.

 

[srs5694]

It was called SCANFILM because someone got it through their head that it would scan better and make "purer" colors without an orange base. Someone forgot that most consumer geared scanners including the ones on minilabs are set up for films with an orange base and its a pain in the ass to get correct results or even make a decent channel for a maskless color neg film. The other part about it being a color and B/W film had something to do with it being a royal pain in the ass to print an orange based color neg onto b/w paper.

FWIW, I've shot one roll of the C-41 film, and I don't recall setting up my scanner software (VueScan) for it to be particularly tough. The VueScan "base colors" were weird, of course, but the software handled the film just fine. I've not tried printing the film in my darkroom, so I don't know how easy that task would be. (Would sticking an unexposed frame of a conventional C-41 film in the light path help matters?)

Of course, all of this is irrelevant for a true E-6 slide film processed as E-6.

 

[Ektagraphic]

I just looked at it on the slide projector and I like it even more. It is a warmer film than the colors of Ektachrome.

 

[WRSchmalfuss]

ROLLEI Digibase CR200

No doubt, this ISO 200 E-6 slide film on a modern polyester film base, will be my only favoured future 120 roll film for my medium format cameras. I like its very nice natural colors, and for its ISO 200, the film is as sharp as your lenses, with an very fine grain.

Cheers

 

[Levas]

Hello guys!
It's been a while since last messages in this topic. Could anyone share their images and impressions of this film?

 

[FujiLove]

Hello guys!
It's been a while since last messages in this topic. Could anyone share their images and impressions of this film?

There is a Flickr group for these films with tons of samples: https://www.flickr.com/groups/digibase/

 

[Wallendo]

If you check out this thread:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
you will see that different photographers have achieved very different results from this film.

 

[Anon Ymous]

Uh, isn't this film dead? Didn't Agfa (Belgium) discontinue it?

 

[FujiLove]

Uh, isn't this film dead? Didn't Agfa (Belgium) discontinue it?

No, it's still available, at least in the UK: http://www.firstcall-photographic.c...ilm/c41-all?filter=1&f_brand=143&f_price=5-94

 

[Anon Ymous]

No, it's still available, at least in the UK: http://www.firstcall-photographic.c...ilm/c41-all?filter=1&f_brand=143&f_price=5-94

Oh, I don't doubt it is still available, there are quite a few retailers still selling it. AFAIK it is also known as Wittner Chrome 200D, but these are all based on Agfa's Aviphot Chrome 200, which is discontinued. So, you can buy whatever stock there is, but when it's gone, it's gone.

 

[AgX]

Years ago Agfa stated to intend to be the last man standing in the field of photographic films.
The are still in the game and we shall see...

 

[Levas]

There is a Flickr group for these films with tons of samples: https://www.flickr.com/groups/digibase/

Thank You

 

[Levas]

If you check out this thread:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
you will see that different photographers have achieved very different results from this film.

Thanks