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nickrapak said:
Looking at the way things are going, a PE firm might be the best way for Kodak film to go.
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You think Ron's going to buy it out personally? :smile:

-NT
 
I entered to internet at 1998 , started to interest with alternative processes , wait to buy a polaroid camera than a good german camera. Than I wanted to buy PN 55 and Polaroid stopped the production and I never been able to use it. Than I interested in Kodachrome and they stopped the production and it went away. Now I want to try Ektachrome , my camera broke down and it falls in to danger. I hope I will be able to buy a Leica before Ektachrome to be decided to stop.
 
perkeleellinen said:
Our machines reverted to year '00' which was interpreted as 1970. No problems at all on January 1st, but on 29 February things went weird. This was because 2000 was a leap year but 1970 wasn't.
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Dont know what systems you were using but they were very very badly designed and would have been an easy fix.

Im guessing they were legacy systems in a banking/manufacturing environment?
 
Mustafa Umut Sarac said:
I entered to internet at 1998 , started to interest with alternative processes , wait to buy a polaroid camera than a good german camera. Than I wanted to buy PN 55 and Polaroid stopped the production and I never been able to use it. Than I interested in Kodachrome and they stopped the production and it went away. Now I want to try Ektachrome , my camera broke down and it falls in to danger. I hope I will be able to buy a Leica before Ektachrome to be decided to stop.
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I understand. I just started getting used to Agfa APX 100 when it was discontinued. Really loved Forte Polywarmtone too, then it went away. I just have to keep working with what we have. Fuji makes really nice E6 films, so at least there is that.
 
Wayne said:

AND support/commit to buying what is trying to come back.

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http://www.polywarmton.com/English/register.php
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Thanks Wayne! I reserved some 8x10 and 11x14. Would have done more but then there's no prices listed. I'm pretty sure whatever the price though, I'll be able to afford 100 sheets of each.

I sure do love Adox. Every day a little more. If Kodak bails, I hope Adox gets a crazy thought to buy up all the Kodak equipment :smile:
 
Not to be caught short, placed a large order with B&H before heading for home......
 
Diapositivo said:
If any firm in this world had to close an operation at the first quarter of operating loss, the world GNP would have fallen by more than 50% by now since the beginning of the crisis...

Fabrizio
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The problem isn't one quarter of operating loss. It is the long term trend, i.e. 98% drop in sales with no end in sight that is the real problem
 
Well keep spreading the word. I'm afraid in these economic times we have to double or triple our efforts to keep this revival on track...
 
alanrockwood said:
The problem isn't one quarter of operating loss. It is the long term trend, i.e. 98% drop in sales with no end in sight that is the real problem
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Until the recent quarter the film division, however reduced in size, was always profitable and, in fact, helped Kodak in its transition toward other technologies.

I agree with you that the ultimate problem is when, and where, will the bottom be reached. If the "bottom" is reached at a scale that allows profitable production of colour films, either Kodak will go on producing it or they will sell the business to somebody who will make a profit out of it.

If the bottom is below "sustainability" then colour photographers are in trouble because Fujifilm is substantially going to remain a monopolist. They will get all the market that Kodak left on the table, so they will survive, I think, but monopolies are never good for an industry.

My point is that the current economic climate gives us a false reading of the long-term state of film consumption. Photography is, for most users, a discretionary spending and it is going to suffer in these days. One must wait for the crisis to be over to understand which place film has in the industry. I hope, and think, that Kodak can wait better days before evaluating whether going on, or not, with film production.

I would not be surprised if some digital camera producers posted a loss in recent quarters, but I'm sure that they would not be basing on the recent quarters their forecasts about the future of digital photography.

Fabrizio
 
Good points.
Things go up and down. A quarter is a too short period.
 
Just a thought, but I wonder if its to do with the new Portra 400 being introduced and Kodachrome finishing. I know that I resisted buying up anymore 400NC over the past couple of months, waiting for the new film to appear in 2011. Also, people frantically shooting existing backlogs of Kodachrome last year as opposed to buying new film? Hopefully the excitement around Portra 400 will lead to a resurgence this quarter?
 
When you think about it one way, Kodak has done an amazing job in keeping their film division profitable for so long. What other business can you image that could sustain a 98% drop in sales and still remain profitable, or at least nearly profitable?
 
alanrockwood said:
When you think about it one way, Kodak has done an amazing job in keeping their film division profitable for so long. What other business can you image that could sustain a 98% drop in sales and still remain profitable, or at least nearly profitable?
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I am no math genius, but doesn't it depend on profit margins?

If one run can supply a years worth of film in one day, that same machine and infrastructure can supply more than 300 times that at current levels per year (or however you cut the pie...)

Maybe I am wrong; I certainly have no point to make other than to say I don't think Kodak MANAGEMENT needs a pat on the back.
Kodak Researchers sure.
 
Ray Rogers said:
I am no math genius, but doesn't it depend on profit margins?

If one run can supply a years worth of film in one day, that same machine and infrastructure can supply more than 300 times that at current levels per year (or however you cut the pie...)

Maybe I am wrong; I certainly have no point to make other than to say I don't think Kodak MANAGEMENT needs a pat on the back.
Kodak Researchers sure.
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To oversimplify a bit, consider the following. A business typically has fixed costs and costs that vary with production. If sales dip below fixed costs then profits become negative, even if the the variable costs drop to zero. If a business is geared to run profitably at a sales volume of. let us say $10 billion, then fixed costs are probably fairly high, let us say for the sake of argument $500 million. If sales drop to $200 million (and assuming that production levels are well aligned with sales, i.e. neither over nor under production) the operation goes into the red.

Also, for some types of business production is run in batches, and batches may have a minimum size. The product may also have a limited shelf life. I understand that film satisfies all these conditions. If the minimum batch size is relatively large, as would be typical of an operation designed for a high production rate, and if the sales rate drops too low then there will be waste as the unsold product expires on the shelf. The wasted product eats into profits, and in the worst case can cause the operation to go into the red.
 
MaximusM3 said:
I think it's almost time to buy another freezer..
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I have two.

<<Sigh>>

I liked it better when the air was clean and words were dirty!
<</Sigh>>

Steve
 
Alan,
I did not see anything in there that I disagree with...

But at the same time,
the fact that KODAK is so huge is in large part a decesion...
made out greed, not necessity.

For example, paper can be made by the sheet as well as by the mile.

I am all for free enterprise, but at some point things can get pretty outta wack.

I just don't think there could have been
no other possible outcomes in some alternate reality.
 
Well, Alan has it right. Ray, I doubt if you have had the production experience to judge this well. Sorry.

And now the air and words are dirty! :wink:

PE
 
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