Ray, to quote you:Your occasional comments designed to remind others of the knowledge gap between youself and the person you are speking to is unfortunate and sad.
I feel your misinterpreting PE then, because all I get from that is an educated experienced perspective on a highly complex manufacturing procedure, which it is, engineers don't sugar coat the fact that high quality manufacturing is incredibly hard to do and impossible for most outside of a very small group of skilled engineers and operators.
This can be applied to any manufacturing situation which has a low tolerance for errors. He was merely stating the facts from his perspective as someone who produced something that we haven't.
The facts are not up for discussion as I believe that PE has the experience required to make relatively definitive statements on Film manufacturing procedures, experience that I dont think anyone else here has. So he was not really offering a perspective rather than elaborating on the facts.
Does Ferrania still manufacture film?
I believe the US manufacturing plant has closed. Perhaps the plant in Italy is still operating. However, I read somewhere that the film making operation was not profitable as was basically being propped up by the Italian government for prestige and/or political reasons.
If you think Ray's done something wrong, you are at least as much wrong as him by going even more off the road.
I have posted an example of their film here previously which I am reposting here. This is a sample of film from a trough coater. It is typical of the result which gives a sinusoidal pattern to the coating.
First, 120 is not precluded except for handling problems with the thinner support. If they can handle it without kinking, then 120 is possible. I believe that this particular plant does do 120.
Second, complaints about the sinusoidal pattern were described here on APUG which is what led me to post it before. There are recurring problems that were seen in LF and 35mm IIRC.
How do you know how this particular film was coated?
(Fair question?)
You said it is typical of the result which gives a sinusoidal pattern to the coating.... is this because a sinusoidal pattern is the best and only possible outcome with trough coating?
Or because more skill or tighter control is needed somewhere?
I think I was confused by your phrase "amateur roll films". Why "amateur"?
Fair enough. I think I managed to find that thread. But I guess this subthread is getting slightly off in the weeds---your point as I understood it wasn't "Plant X film is bad and here's why", but "here are some of the problems faced by Plant X that would present serious barriers to a move into more modern emulsions, higher QC levels, and/or colour". In that light it makes perfect sense and I appreciate the extra information.
-NT
Ray;
I know exactly where and how this piece of film was coated It was sent to me in confidence for diagnosis with all added information needed to respond.
You seem to wish to question my every statement, but this one is exactly true.
PE
You know... in the year 2000, all the computers will go haywire and destroy our technology infrastructure.
Only PE can defend or victimize Kodak, lol, hey, they got what they wanted, drop out of the film market smoothly and if possible victims of something...
Perez got what he deserved and wished for years, Kodak is a victim of Kodak policy, nothing else.
The only ones needed are the ones commited to film, those who aren't, goodbye and good luck.
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