Revere Platinum - WINNING!

[lustman]

3+1 per L

 

[jkschreiber]

3+1 per L

Grams, ounces, teaspoons, tablespoons?

My usual clearing bath is 2 tbsp EDTA (tetra) + 1 tbsp citric acid + 1 tbsp sodium sulfite per liter of water. Works well for most papers I use.

Personally, I have given up on this paper. Too much wasted time and materials already.

~ Keith

 

[lustman]

3 spoon of EDTA + 1 Spoon of sulfite for 3 liters of water x2, after on 1 bath of acid

 

[payral]

Not enough sulfite. You need about 20g or a full table spoon per liter and you can add some tea spoon of EDTA.
Solution should be used at 20C at least, warmer is better.
2x 5 mn after a first acd washing bath for at least 2 mn,

 

[clay]

When I do homebrew hypoclear, I always add about 1/2 tsp of sodium metabisulfite per liter to knock the pH down. Dissolve it first, before you add the sodium sulfite or the EDTA. Then 2Tbsp of Sodium sulfite and 1 tbsp of EDTA

 

[lustman]

i think my water is too cold,

could i use warmer water for metabisulfite too?

 

[clay]

It needs to be warm to get it into solution.

 

[Colin Graham]

Has anyone ever tried the regular Magnani Revere printmaking paper? Magnani Revere Printmaking Sheets - BLICK art materials
The choice of surfaces is intriguing. As is the claim that it's 'naturally acid-free'- through whether that's due to the cotton linters or the addition natural buffer such as calcium carbonate I'd hate to guess. I can't find out much about the sizing, other than it's 'lightly sized'.

The pdf article at Legion paper makes it sound a little like Rives BFK.
http://www.legionpaper.com/pub/files/aaSep09FullArticleLowRes.pdf

Granted, after the lack of manufacturer support for Revere Platinum, I'd understand the reluctance to try another Magnani paper. But I'm a paper junkie and always looking for something new to try.

 

[Dan Williams]

Colin,

I believe you live west of Port Angles. If you get over to Seattle you may want to stop by Daniel Smith's. They have several Revere papers in stock.

Dan

 

[Colin Graham]

Thanks Dan, but I already ordered a few sheets from Dick Blick. Dan Smith's paper prices used to be so expensive that for a long time I quit even checking their stock... Even when I lived in Seattle I used to mail order paper. But it looks like they've gotten much more reasonable now, so thanks for the reminder.

 

[photomc]

For what it is worth, I ordered some Revere paper from Bostick and Sullivan a few months back and printed with it over the holidays (Dec). Had no issues with the paper, and it worked very well for me.

 

[pschwart]

For what it is worth, I ordered some Revere paper from Bostick and Sullivan a few months back and printed with it over the holidays (Dec). Had no issues with the paper, and it worked very well for me.

We would need to know a lot more about your workflow and your environment for this to be useful.

 

[Rojina]

Hello,

Many thanks to all for your postings on the Revere Paper. I am new to Palladium printing and after transitioning my darkroom I finally made my first set of test prints from a (rather large) batch of the Revere paper that was purchased last summer (June or 2011) when the new Revere was first distributed. The tones are lovely - stunning really, but the greasy looking spots are a deal breaker!

For what it is worth here is a rundown of my workflow/formula:

-no pre-humidification of paper (darkroom was around 16% humidity)
-equal parts palladium to ferric oxalate applied w/ cheap hake brush (will be upgrading to a richeson brush)
-air dried on a screen for a couple of hours
- some tests prints were double coated (both had problems)

Am going to try the humidification and misting method as posted by John. I see that BS is still stocking this paper; does anyone know if the factory has resolved this issue with the later batches, or has everyone given up? Any suggestions for an alternative paper?

heartbroken in Colorado,

Ro.

p.s. I am so grateful for this forum as I was able to attribute the problems to the paper not just my neophyte ways.

 

[pschwart]

I think the blotchiness is due to problems with the internal sizing. Not everyone encounters this, so there must be manufacturing inconsistencies. There may be some perfect combination of workflow and environment that can bypass this, but I never found it and the manufacturer's rep quit posting here almost as soon as users started reporting problems. One could size the paper, but who want to size a paper specifically designed for platinum?
I moved on -- maybe I will try the paper again in the future.

Is the RH in your darkroom really 16%? Time to buy a humidifier

Hello,

Many thanks to all for your postings on the Revere Paper. I am new to Palladium printing and after transitioning my darkroom I finally made my first set of test prints from a (rather large) batch of the Revere paper that was purchased last summer (June or 2011) when the new Revere was first distributed. The tones are lovely - stunning really, but the greasy looking spots are a deal breaker!

For what it is worth here is a rundown of my workflow/formula:

-no pre-humidification of paper (darkroom was around 16% humidity)
-equal parts palladium to ferric oxalate applied w/ cheap hake brush (will be upgrading to a richeson brush)
-air dried on a screen for a couple of hours
- some tests prints were double coated (both had problems)

Am going to try the humidification and misting method as posted by John. I see that BS is still stocking this paper; does anyone know if the factory has resolved this issue with the later batches, or has everyone given up? Any suggestions for an alternative paper?

heartbroken in Colorado,

Ro.

p.s. I am so grateful for this forum as I was able to attribute the problems to the paper not just my neophyte ways.

 

[John Sarsgard]

Reformulated Revere Platinum

It is available, and just wonderful. I did not pre humidify. It is "faster" than the original...for me 4 min vs 5 for the original. I used less coating than before, abt 25% less. Subjectively better dmax. Coating dries fast. Great wet strength. Clears well. None of the issues some reportrd earlier. Easily distinguished from original version...the new is "whiter". Don't know who all has stock...got mine from New York Central. They have both versions...must ask for the new shipment. Details...I am using the 300 gsm version in 22x30 sheets and working and storing paper at rh 60%. Try it. Dialog welcome. John

 

[Davec101]

It is available, and just wonderful. I did not pre humidify. It is "faster" than the original...for me 4 min vs 5 for the original. I used less coating than before, abt 25% less. Subjectively better dmax. Coating dries fast. Great wet strength. Clears well. None of the issues some reportrd earlier. Easily distinguished from original version...the new is "whiter". Don't know who all has stock...got mine from New York Central. They have both versions...must ask for the new shipment. Details...I am using the 300 gsm version in 22x30 sheets and working and storing paper at rh 60%. Try it. Dialog welcome. John

Last time i spoke to B&S which was a couple of days ago, the new formulation had not arrived yet, but is on its way.

 

[pschwart]

It's good to hear the paper may be improved, even though Magnani and Legion never acknowledged there were problems. On the other hand, how would anyone know the paper had been reformulated? A color change alone is very significant, especially if one is trying to match existing prints. I checked the Legion web page for Revere Platinum and it says nothing about this. And if I didn't know what to ask for, what would a vendor ship to me? Revere Platinum is not even listed on the New York Central web site, and new forumation is not mentioned on the B&S site. I guess I will just stick with Platine and COT320 for now ...

 

[John Sarsgard]

It would be great to have a sure way to differentiate the old and new paper other than color, but I will live with it. I have enough of the original to match client prints...doing one right now. At least with the color change, one can know he has the stuff he thinks he does. On the phone, the NY Central paper folks knew about the reformulation and had both versions on hand. They understood why I was being picky. I also wish Legion and or Magnani would be more forthcoming about what they're doing, but hoping I can help spread the word. I loved the original, and figured out how to live with it....at least the batches I received....and love the new one even more. I think the paper troubles are endless, I think we have a great winner here now, and want to do my part to build a good following for it.

 

[pschwart]

I appreciate the heads-up about this. I do think, based on the mixed experience with the initial release, we should all do our own testing before declaring victory. Sharing the results here along with details about the process, workflow, and environment would be helpful.

 

[John Sarsgard]

Just declaring victory for me. Too many variables to generalize! I hope to read about the experiences of many others with what I think is now a very fine paper. The largest issue for some may be the change in paper color.

 

[Kerik]

John - Do you have a contact at NY Central who knows what's up and which is the good version?

Thanks!

 

[John Sarsgard]

Call 212 473 7705 and ask for the paper department. Both times I called, I worked with James, who knew the paper had been reformulated and that they'd received some. He put me on hold and talked with his manager, who reminded him they still have both versions. I think you will be fine if you just say your paper must be from the new shipment. It's pretty easy to know you've gotten the right one....it is whiter than the first, about like the old decent (NOT the current!) Stonehenge white. I haven't tried, or even asked about, the lighter weight or sheets larger than 22x30. Just hoping lots of folks try the new version and get enthusiasm going for this beautiful paper. (Now that I've got my stash!)

 

[Kerik]

The new batch of 300 GSM arrived from NY Central last week. I've only made a couple of quick test prints, but they look great. DMAX hit 1.43 with ease. So far, no indications of the problems from the first batch. I'll be doing some more thorough testing soon, but I am optimistic!

 

[Davec101]

The new batch of 300 GSM arrived from NY Central last week. I've only made a couple of quick test prints, but they look great. DMAX hit 1.43 with ease. So far, no indications of the problems from the first batch. I'll be doing some more thorough testing soon, but I am optimistic!

Hi Kerik, Can you expand on your exact workfolow i.e platinum/palladium ratio, tween, humididy, paper side etc...

thanks

David

 

[John Sarsgard]

I've made 8 or 10 prints now, and not encountered any problems at all. One thing I have noticed that's worth remembering...the new stuff absorbs coating more readily than the old, a good thing for me. Sometimes I felt like I was going to brush the paper away with the old Revere. I will continue to encourage others to give it a try. We need to build a following for this lovely paper.