Request For Survey Support From HARMAN technology Limited :

[K-G]

Done.

 

[LarsAC]

Simon,

As to a sample pack.....we have been here many times, our logic has always been to make small 25 sheet packets available of all our products, our Paper Marketing Team of old always said you needed 10 sheets to understand a product and a 100 to fall in Love !

Thanks for picking up the idea. Maybe the situation is also related to supply of the different paper and box sizes here in Germany. Cheapest I can buy locally for MGWT is obviously 10 sheets of 12x16. I checked retailers in the UK and the offering is indeed different. Maybe 10 sheets of 10 paper options is more realistic, I understand your concerns about separate packaging inside the box.

Regards,
Lars

 

[analoguey]

Dear Analoguey,

We have given feedback before on our surveys. Least we can do.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

That's great Simon! I hadn't found it earlier, i'll look for it this time!

Cheers

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[Jesper]

Done

 

[mooseontheloose]

Done.

 

[georg16nik]

Done!

 

[jp80874]

Done.
Thank you for asking.

John Powers

 

[HolgaJen]

Ilford "It's All About Film" Survey

Ilford is looking for your opinions on a few things, if you shoot with film please follow this link and help them out!

https:surveymonkey.com/s/filmapug

Thanks!

 

[Truzi]

I probably should have mentioned this in the survey itself, but a few questions appear a bit presumptuous. Of course they should, all things considered, but I almost felt I didn't fit some of the forced-choice options (though many were covered by being able to fill-in answers).

Overall the questions are very good, but some of us at APUG are content taking snapshots for posterity or fun, and not all were born in the digital age. For example, many here were not "attracted" to using film. Rather, they had no choice because that is all that existed when they started taking pictures. Just semantics, I guess.

Thanks for the survey, I really enjoyed participating.

 

[mono]

see here ;-)

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[HolgaJen]

Oh thanks - I didn't see it but wasn't looking for the right thing obviously!

 

[Trask]

Done here too. Add a dialogue box to Question 7, so answers can be explained, expanded on or qualified.

 

[Terrence Brennan]

Done!

 

[scheimfluger_77]

Done!

 

[Roger Cole]

The idea of a sample pack isn't bad but I can see Simon's points. Ten sheet packs are a decent alternative but the problem then becomes the price per sheet, given the pretty much identical costs of packaging and even shipping (as compared to 25 sheet packs) makes the price per sheet such that you might as well get 25 to try it out. Besides, I need at LEAST 10 sheets of a given paper just to start to get an idea about whether I like it and what it might be good for me to me personally and 25 is much better to test response to toners, development etc.

 

[analoguey]

Done!

Hopefully some of the suggestions on the website (and education links) will be implemented!

If someone does see Ilford film, and then looks at community to learn from, Ilford should, IMHO be able to direct to the active large user base - whether at APUG, LFF (or others).
And also I cant believe there is such limited use of the youtube (learning) videos!

 

[pbromaghin]

For example, many here were not "attracted" to using film. Rather, they had no choice because that is all that existed when they started taking pictures. Just semantics, I guess.

Thanks for the survey, I really enjoyed participating.

Right, there wasn't much of anything else in 1965.

 

[analoguey]

But now you do have a choice!

So what makes you stay with film is a logical question!

 

[Truzi]

But now you do have a choice!

So what makes you stay with film is a logical question!

True, but the question was what got me into it in the first place

 

[Stephen Prunier]

Done.

Thanks for caring!

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

All done

 

[Henry Alive]

Done!

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Threads merged.

 

[C Henry]

Done. Thanks for your continued support.

Car

 

[Dr Croubie]

As to a sample pack.....we have been here many times, our logic has always been to make small 25 sheet packets available of all our products, our Paper Marketing Team of old always said you needed 10 sheets to understand a product and a 100 to fall in Love !
I will revisit it, but it would require multiple bagging, a none standard box and assembling by hand, I will have it costed though but NO PROMISES.

I was thinking about this last night, and I don't think it would require multiple bagging.
Compare the Moab Inkjet sampler packet I mentioned earlier, it's only got two sheets of about 10 different paper types.
Each of them has a sticker on, with the name of the paper, weight, and 'print on other side' or 'print on either side'.

Given that we're going to open them under safelight anyway, this is B+W after all, why couldn't you also just sticker them on the back?
As long as the text is large enough to be read under a red safelight, and as long as it survives developing (whatever sticks your 120 film to the paper survives developing), that's all we need.
Then you wouldn't need multiple bags, they could all slip in together in one bag (of course, I don't know a thing about your factory, maybe multiple bags is still easier), but hand-loading would of course jack the price up.

For quantities, I'd be happy with as little as five sheets of 8x10 each. I can cut one up for strips, two can make eight 4x5 proofs, and two stay 8x10s.
That's enough for one or two test photos, and that's enough to see a) the texture, and b) the cold/warm-ness of the tone.

Regarding the texture, I've mentioned (there was a url link here which no longer exists) that it's hard to know what texture is what based on the names, so one print is enough just to tell that.
Hell, even a blank or pre-printed swatch book like the Swiss Ilford (and Hahnemuhle, and probably others) do for their inkjet range would be good enough to tell texture.
These are a great in-store feature for those who go to stores, but would be nice if the rest of the web-shoppers could just buy their own for $5 or something.

As for coldtone/warmtone, I've never used any of it. The closest is when I've used natural/bright in my inkjet, but then my B+W inkjets sucked so I print wet now anyway.
All I've ever done in wet is regular RC MGiv in MG dev, mostly pearl, some gloss because I got some cheap 2nd hand. And only dabbled with a sheet or two of FB.
So I have no idea what the difference is, least of all if different tones looked good or not until I tried it.
The warmtone range that my local shop stocks only starts at $100, that's a bit much just 'to try', and I don't even think they have coldtone.
Next time I order from B+H I might throw in a cheap box of each, but that happens once a year.
Then if I like it that's another year wait, or cough up for high shipping or high aussie retail prices.
So if there were a sample pack of cold/warm tone etc, and I could get it from my local shop for less than $30, I'd be all over it, and may even like it enough to buy a box of 100 and get to know it better.