replacement for APX 100???

df cardwell · Jan 4, 2010

I used APX 100 until Agfa tanked however many years ago and had to find a new answer when my stock evaporated. Although I miss the color rendition, which was unique, I use TMY2 for everything today, 35mm to 8x10.

thebdt · Jan 4, 2010

Then of course there is the oft-promised "fact" that APX will be resurrected in much the same way the old Agfa paper has been (by Adox/Fotoimpex, I believe).

Willie Jan · Jan 4, 2010

I had contact with adox and in Q1 of 2010 they will start making the old apx 100 from 35mm until 8x10 inch.

(german text)
http://www.adox.de/ADOX_Filme/ADOXAP100/ADOXAP100.html

Ian Grant · Jan 4, 2010

Willie Jan said:
I had contact with adox and in Q1 of 2010 they will start making the old apx 100 from 35mm until 8x10 inch.

(german text)
http://www.adox.de/ADOX_Filme/ADOXAP100/ADOXAP100.html

That's good news.

Ian

Tom Kershaw · Jan 4, 2010

This is excellent news. I can now use my remaining three rolls of APX 100 in 120.

Tom

ninjarider · Jan 4, 2010

Willie Jan said:
I had contact with adox and in Q1 of 2010 they will start making the old apx 100 from 35mm until 8x10 inch.

(german text)
http://www.adox.de/ADOX_Filme/ADOXAP100/ADOXAP100.html

Looking forward to it!

nino · Jan 4, 2010

rwboyer said:
Are any places still selling Rollei Retro 100 - isn't that actually repackaged old stock APX 100? or something like that?

www.macodirect.de

Very good price, 1,49EUR!

And yes, rollei retro 100 IS apx 100

stradibarrius · Jan 4, 2010

I just bought 15 rolls of APX that had expired. They are 35mm but I will shot them just the same. Looking forward to some 120...

naugastyle · Jan 4, 2010

From the link:

Rollfilme 120, Mittelformatfilme, "Holga Filme"

Holga film?

Anyway, this is good to hear. I sent an email to Henry Posner of B&H last night, who already responded but didn't have any more info other than Rollei Retro discontinuing the 100 in 120. I assumed they discontinued it because of lack of demand, but perhaps it's just because Adox stepped in.

AgX · Jan 4, 2010

naugastyle said:
I assumed they discontinued it because of lack of demand, but perhaps it's just because Adox stepped in.

I rather guess they got no more masterrolls left, but still 35mm pancakes.

Ian Grant · Jan 4, 2010

naugastyle said:
From the link:

Rollfilme 120, Mittelformatfilme, "Holga Filme"

Holga film?

Anyway, this is good to hear. I sent an email to Henry Posner of B&H last night, who already responded but didn't have any more info other than Rollei Retro discontinuing the 100 in 120. I assumed they discontinued it because of lack of demand, but perhaps it's just because Adox stepped in.

It was sold out a long time ago except for some spurious oddments sold under Maco's brand.

Ian

JLP · Jan 4, 2010

APX100 and 400 in 8x10 will be a dream come tru.
Mirko, if you are watching? Please don't pack sheet film in 10 sheet boxes.

naugastyle · Jan 4, 2010

Ian Grant said:
It was sold out a long time ago except for some spurious oddments sold under Maco's brand.

Ian

Which was sold out? The Rollei Retro in 120? I just got some a couple months ago from B&H (packaged as Rollei Retro) and it was still on their website until very recently.

AgX · Jan 4, 2010

The Rollei brand APX 100 type 120 conversion (from type 135 stock) is sold out at Maco.
This does not exclude that dealers still have it on stock.

naugastyle · Jan 4, 2010

So even though I didn't respond (as there wasn't really a need to) after Henry Posner told me that the Rollei Retro in 120 had been discontinued, he wrote me back again to say that it would still be available in 35mm for a while but that they may start selling 80s and 400s in 120 (currently that's only at Freestyle). I responded with the info on ADOX posted above, and mentioned that I really hoped they would stock it...and he said he'd tell the film buyer. Fingers crossed .

sandermarijn · Jan 4, 2010

Did you get this from the site only or did you speak to Adox directly as well? The Adox website also states that APX400 will be produced end 2009:

"Die Wiederaufnahme der Filmproduktion der 400 ASA Filme ist für Ende 2009 geplant..."

I won't believe the accuracy of all this info until Mirko announces it on fotoimpex.de or here.

Chazzy · Jan 4, 2010

I hope that fans of the Agfa films will get their films back, but really, how many 100 and 400 speed black and white films can the market support?

AgX · Jan 4, 2010

sandermarijn said:
Did you get this from the site only or did you speak to Adox directly as well? The Adox website also states that APX400 will be produced end 2009:

"Die Wiederaufnahme der Filmproduktion der 400 ASA Filme ist für Ende 2009 geplant..."

I won't believe the accuracy of all this info until Mirko announces it on fotoimpex.de or here.

"All this info" originates from one person: Mirko

But we are just in the first week of the new year. Is it that bad if a company that really did not make much fuzz as others on a product to come is behind their schedule?

Thomas Bertilsson · Jan 4, 2010

APX 400 as sheet film... Gimme Gimme Gimme! Especially 5x7 is interesting to me. VERY interesting.

And dear Charles - more competition is good. Let the market decide which films survive and which die. We shall find out who plays the market best by listening to the customers and what they want and think they need.

I don't think we can expect prices on par with the old Agfa prices, though. That would be the surprise of the century. But that is of course just speculation.

BradS · Jan 4, 2010

I am mildly surprised that nobody has mentioned Ilford Delta 100...

It is a fantastic film and it is available in 135, 120, 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10 ! and at reasonable prices.....what more could you want?

thebdt · Jan 11, 2010

To paraphrase:

I knew APX 100, and senator, Delta 100 is no APX!

Andrew Moxom · Jan 11, 2010

While I do somewhat lament the demise of APX100 and it took me attending a Fay Godwin workshop back in the UK in 1992 that made me switch to this emulsion. I was instantly blown away by it's look and capabilities. That said, it's gone, and it is what it is. As such, I have moved onto other films... ACROS is it for my 100 speed film anymore. It works well, and if Mirko and Adox can bring back the APX100 emulsion, so much the better to have more choice. If they don't I won't spend any time on it searching for the last exorbitantly priced roll for expired film on E'Bay that some folks do. While APX100 was great and is great as I have 10 rolls of 35mm to use yet there are others and dare I say it, BETTER alternatives. ANY film can do what you want it to do if you learn it inside out. While it's nice to reminisce about old films or papers, what can we do about it??? Move on, adapt.

RobertV · Jan 11, 2010

Last APX100/400 stock (Rollei Retro 100/400) is gone now so maybe a good replacement for APX 100 is Fomapan 100 which is also available in 35mm, 120 roll film and sheet film.
Alternative Rollei-Maco picked up from Agfa Gevaert in Belgium, aviation film: Retro 80S and Retro 400S.
Retro 80S is available in 35mm, 120 roll film and 127 roll film now. Maybe in the near future also sheet film.
All Retro S films have extended red sensitivity till 750nm and are even suitable for IR photography.

Regards,

Robert

cmo · Jan 11, 2010

Robert, the question was "what is a good replacement for APX 100". There are probably no films that are less similar to APX 100 and APX 400 than these relabeled aviation films. What do they have in common, except the ISO setting????

Material
APX: Triacetate
Agfa Aviphot: Polyester

Sensitization
APX: panchromatic
Agfa Aviphot: red gets lighter

Grain and look
APX: classic b/w look, APX 400 with too much grain for me
Agfa Aviphot: more like the first T-grain films

So, my verdict is: FP4, Plus-X, Foma 100 and even Efke/Adox 100 are much more similar in every respect.

RobertV · Jan 11, 2010

Again: Best fit will be Fomapan 100 which is on tri-acetate in 35mm but 120 roll film on polyester. In development, e.g. Rodinal almost the same as APX100.

Retro 80S and 400S will have about the same iso setting but are all on polyester and have more contrast then APX 100/400.

FP4+, a good film but different then APX 100, certainly in Rodinal.
Efke 100, a single layer type film, classical film pretty close to APX100.
Plus-X: I have no experience with this film.

replacement for APX 100???

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