Release of Nikon mirrorless and demand for old MF lens

[michaelfoto]

I have not checked digital and i could'nt care less. Why am i seeing this?

 

[jim10219]

I highly doubt old Nikon lenses will skyrocket in value. First off, they're still manual focus. Even the autofocus ones from the film era (with the screw drive) won't autofocus on the new Nikons. Second, it's a mirrorless camera. That means that it can pretty much use any lens out there, just like the other mirrorless cameras. So the market doesn't really change any. Plus, soon, someone will make Nikon Z adapters to work with just about every other camera mount out there, much like what's happened with Sony's mirrorless cameras, which means there won't really be an advantage to using old Nikon lenses with the new Nikon Z cameras. Now the ability to autofocus with the newer Nikon lenses will give them an advantage, but their values aren't exactly depressed right now, and I don't see a enough people going out to buy these new cameras who didn't already own a bunch of Nikon glass to effect the used market value much.

In other words, save your money, and only buy what you need.

 

[Alan Gales]

I have not checked digital and i could'nt care less. Why am i seeing this?

Because digital can affect the prices of lenses for film cameras. Try buying a Pentax FA lens for the medium format film 645N and 645Nll cameras. Their prices went through the roof after the 645D camera came out. Personally, I sold a 400mm FA lens for over $1,200.00 on eBay. I had only paid $400.00 for it when it only worked on film cameras.

The OP is worried about Nikon lenses possibly going up in price for the 35mm users here.

 

[markjwyatt]

I received this from Nikon. The new z cameras only have one memory card slot. What?

Scroll down to see it!

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-p....html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-TechSpecs

I saw that in the video. My Fuji XT-2 (APS-C), has 2 slots.

 

[faberryman]

I saw that in the video. My Fuji XT-2 (APS-C), has 2 slots.

And it is XQD memory card, which I've heard of but didn't think anybody uses other than Nikon for the D850, which also accepts SD cards.

 

[Chan Tran]

I can use all Nikkor lenses with my Df and I don't need the Z camera for that. However, with the Z camera and with a third party adapter that I think they will make would allow me to use old Canon, Minolta and Pentax lenses.

 

[MattKing]

The mirror-less options make adapted lens use much more practical, because they reduce the down-side of having to use stop-down metering.
I expect there are people out there who have avoided the mirror-less market because they are so loyal to the Nikon brand. I've never approached things that way.

 

[k.hendrik]

Why are you sneaky little digital devils slither into this '100% Analog/Tradional' forum ? Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[mshchem]

Why are you sneaky little digital devils slither into this '100% Analog/Tradional' forum ? Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[Alan Gales]

Why are you sneaky little digital devils slither into this '100% Analog/Tradional' forum ? Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The Fujifilm digital cameras have film simulation modes for Jpeg shots. A fellow on YouTube shot a Fujifilm digital camera using the Acros mode. He then shot real Acros film using a Leica rangefinder. I thought his fake Acros digital images looked pretty good until he showed the real film Acros shots which blew them away in my opinion.

 

[Chan Tran]

The mirror-less options make adapted lens use much more practical, because they reduce the down-side of having to use stop-down metering.
I expect there are people out there who have avoided the mirror-less market because they are so loyal to the Nikon brand. I've never approached things that way.

I don't want the mirrorless.

 

[Cholentpot]

Just wait for Canon to put out theirs and release a new line of FD lenses.

 

[Huss]

Why are you sneaky little digital devils slither into this '100% Analog/Tradional' forum ? Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Yeah, what the what? This is not a digital site. I am typing this on my Olivetti Valentine typewriter. Butt seriously, go to DPR etc for digi stuff. Gross.

 

[markjwyatt]

The Fujifilm digital cameras have film simulation modes for Jpeg shots. A fellow on YouTube shot a Fujifilm digital camera using the Acros mode. He then shot real Acros film using a Leica rangefinder. I thought his fake Acros digital images looked pretty good until he showed the real film Acros shots which blew them away in my opinion.

Here is a comparison I attempted.

Fuji Acros+Y simulation; XT-2; 18-55mm set to 50mm. (tweaked with GIMP to try and match the film):


Acros_Sim_match_Film by Mark Wyatt, on Flickr

Acros 100/SPotamatic with Zeiss Ultron 50mm f1.8/Zeiss Y filter


Shelf by Mark Wyatt, on Flickr

 

[Eric Rose]

B&W film vs B&W digi comparisons are more reflective of the testers abilities than anything else.

This thread was about the value of older lenses on the new FF mirrorless cameras.

This is an analog/hybrid/digital site. Get with the program or get out. I'm sick of the belly aching.

 

[Ai Print]

Within 10 minutes of the announcement I pre-ordered a Z6 and the adapter to use with my entire Nikon F line which is extensive. My main reason is that I have wanted a quieter mechanical shutter for niche but mission critical work in that I have to be as unobtrusive as possible. Leica does this fairly well but I have limited that application to the lens range of 28, 35 and 50mm lenses leaving really wide and long glass out in the cold. I think a lot of Nikon users have also wanted the same and other things since at least in the long career viewplane it is a lot easier and creatively liberating to stick with a highly proven and incredibly adaptable existing system rather than dump everything for a whole new one based solely on “Camera Wars”.

I constantly see the disparaging remarks on here toward this other medium and I have to wonder what really are the drivers of this? I mean...you do know the thing you seem to love to hate is the very thing that gave you super cheap film using hardware in the first place, right?

Personally I don’t live like that, I just love making the best images I can regardless of medium and quite frankly don’t understand the discrimination at this point, especially considering how well film is doing as a niche.

As for the topic at hand, I think we will see some fluctuations in terms of the price of AIS glass. It has always fared much better than the uninformed arm chair speculators have implied and still very much has real value in being used across the entire spectrum of Nikon cameras. One thing to consider is that with this new hardware being quite able in aiding people to focus manual glass, well I know my aging eyes will highly appreciate the new found precision and accuracy in achieving focus in this manner.

As for the adapter being limited, I think if an AF lens is the old screw driven type, then it may as well be manual because AF will not work. There are no optics in the adapter, not even a mirror as all it really amounts to is an electronically coupled extension tube to overcome the shorter flange distance, a super simple and yet highly effective way to adapt this brilliant new lens mount to nearly all the exsisting F mount lenses.

I think these camera will do fairly well in terms of sales because in many ways, people who have used the Nikon system for many years continue to do so because it becomes a form of language in that much of the operation and kinetic use of the gear becomes subconscious. Nikon knows this and knows people like me depend on these strengths and provide tools to be as effective I possibly can in deploying exactly the right tool for my job.

I welcome this new hardware as I continue to use my entire system to great effect.

 

[MattKing]

The grumbles about this thread aren't about the subject, but rather they are about the fact that the thread was started in the part of the forum that is reserved for analogue/film discussions rather than the equally accessible parts of the forum that are oriented toward digital capture.
There is of course some crossover because the new full frame mirror-less bodies may impact the market prices of lenses that were originally designed for film. It seems to me that that impact is what Eric was addressing when he started this thread - the affect on film shooters.
Of course, where a thread starts and where it drifts to are often entirely different places.

 

[Huss]

Analog Workflow Forums (100% Analog/Traditional)
This area is ONLY for discussion of 100% Analog/Traditional photographic processes. No Hybrid discussion or Digital discussion should be posted. This includes off-topic suggestions that fall outside of '100% Analog' processes, for example,"Hey, you can do this in photoshop".

 

[Eric Rose]

That's right the thread was about the value of old analog type lenses and how their value might be affected by new cameras.

Get over it.

 

[Ai Print]

It’s up to all of us to be vigilant and yet creative in how we weave what is becoming at times a hard to avoid part of Photography into this world.

I have done my best in the post above to both avoid direct reference to what is taboo subject matter but at the same time dispel some of the falsehoods that I know for a fact only serve to feed the misinformation machine and further alienate otherwise well meaning people towards one another.

It is well intentioned information based on my life and my experience, do with it as you wish.

 

[blockend]

Within 10 minutes of the announcement I pre-ordered a Z6 and the adapter to use with my entire Nikon F line which is extensive.

I'm amazed. The Z Nikons do not take F lenses natively, which means they adapt no better than any other digital camera. It's a completely new mount with different dimensions and electronic contacts. The single card slot is for a type that, as far as I'm aware, Sony instigated and have all but dropped from their own line up. The native lenses at launch don't seem to be anything special. It looks like a work in progress, and I'd expect the next iteration to be radically upgraded. The only possible selling point is the Z is full frame and isn't a Sony or Leica.

Early reviews suggest the Z is a 2014 spec camera competing in a 2018 market. It was unlikely Nikon would be up to speed at their first attempt, and so it has proven. The company are clearly invested big in the Z concept, but as a platform for F lenses it doesn't make any sense.

 

[faberryman]

Within 10 minutes of the announcement I pre-ordered a Z6 and the adapter to use with my entire Nikon F line which is extensive.

God bless early adopters. Without them, there would be no second generation.

 

[alentine]

God bless early adopters. Without them, there would be no second generation.

LOL.
If I ever buy digital, it will be the Leica equivalent of Panasonic LX100.
But, unfortunately, the update Mark II, is frustrating rather than disappointing.

 

[blockend]

Leica are the only company to offer priority to manual focus, film era lenses on digital bodies. The rest cripple functionality or necessitate you buy new. The F mount has been on borrowed time since the 1980s, and Z bayonet is Nikon's opportunity to become their new universal offering. It remains to be seen whether Nikon run the F mount concurrently with Z, but given the advantages for wide aperture lenses and image stabilisation in the larger mount, I wouldn't bank on F surviving as more than a heritage platform long term.

This may mean a glut of screw mount F lenses reaching the market, which could benefit film users.

 

[Ai Print]

I'm amazed. The Z Nikons do not take F lenses natively, which means they adapt no better than any other digital camera. It's a completely new mount with different dimensions and electronic contacts. The single card slot is for a type that, as far as I'm aware, Sony instigated and have all but dropped from their own line up. The native lenses at launch don't seem to be anything special. It looks like a work in progress, and I'd expect the next iteration to be radically upgraded. The only possible selling point is the Z is full frame and isn't a Sony or Leica.

Early reviews suggest the Z is a 2014 spec camera competing in a 2018 market. It was unlikely Nikon would be up to speed at their first attempt, and so it has proven. The company are clearly invested big in the Z concept, but as a platform for F lenses it doesn't make any sense.

It’s not so amazing really, part of the reason for no hesitation on my part is that it can take quite awhile even for order fulfillment to begin so I can keep an eye on developments during that process and bow out at any time if any kind of deal breaker is revealed. My card won’t even be charged until it ships so no big deal.

You have to understand, I am not the typical customer, I have no idea what the other brand even offers and don’t really have interest in that whole battle. I just needed a specific improvement for a niche use and I am pretty sure Nikon has done that so in keeping things simple from a quick repair time and support standpoint, I am sticking with what has always worked.

People are not loyal to a company because they are dumb but rather the net gains over time greatly outweigh any technological wins or losses. This has been the outcome in my case at least.