Redheads and IR film

[Robert Hall]

Could be the dyes reflect IR... or not!

 

[kraker]

Here are some examples...

My fair skinned boy...
http://www.roberthall.com/austin13a.jpg

My model friend with ortho...
http://www.roberthall.com/KyleeBlue.jpg

My model friend with IR...
http://www.roberthall.com/KyleeIR.jpg

Cheers

Wow, a picture says more than a thousand words? You've just saved us about 3000 words! Just to be complete, the first one is with panchromatic film, or...?

 

[Robert Hall]

#1 is HIE (IR 35mm)

#2 is ortho film, no filter in shadow (blue light, but fairly full spectrum)

#3 Then back to IR HIE 120 size, full spectrum light

 

[jd callow]

#1 is HIE (IR 35mm)

#2 is ortho film, no filter in shadow (blue light, but fairly full spectrum)

#3 Then back to IR HIE 120 size, full spectrum light

Great examples Robert. As a reference do you hae your model friend shot with standard pan and no filtration?

 

[Robert Hall]

no filtration, but it was a shadow which has a large blue light component to the available light.

What color were your filters? (the 80's) are they a warming filter or blue?

 

[pentaxuser]

I echo the sentiments about the pictures being worth a thousand or is it ten thousand words.

It prompts me to raise a question. In the old B&W movies weren't there several redheads in Hollywood such as Ginger Rogers and Ronda Fleming? They seemed to be blond in the films. In fact I always assumed that Ginger Rogers was blond and I don't think I have ever seen a colour photo of her so she may be blond but if so why is she called Ginger?

Shot 3 is a great advert for B&W IR film for redheads or possibly even Pan film with a red filter.

pentaxuser

 

[jd callow]

Robert, What I meant is there an image of your model with using film that uses the full spectrum, such as panchromatic or even colour, that we could use as a reference when looking at your examples?

 

[Robert Hall]

Ok, just remembered. Blue for tungsten. Never used those.

As a P.S. to the above shots, Kylee looked somewhere between those shots on daylight color film. Freckles are not as pronounced on her as in that shot.

My wife is a readhead so I test on her. (not allowed to post test shots, sorry)

Even a bluer seeing film will give interesting results. Flash can have an effect on this as well, depending on the light makeup of the source.

 

[Robert Hall]

I have one scanned on a different computer. I will dig it up and get it posted.

 

[zenrhino]

Shooting red heads , especially those with freckles and blue eyes benefits very nicely from ortho film or pan film with a strong blue filter. This is basically the opposite of an IR film which I've never used on a redhead.

Seconded. Whichever of the Arista films has a blue base (I forget if its arista.edu or arista.edu ultra) made my model's eyes and freckles just pop.

 

[copake_ham]

I echo the sentiments about the pictures being worth a thousand or is it ten thousand words.

It prompts me to raise a question. In the old B&W movies weren't there several redheads in Hollywood such as Ginger Rogers and Ronda Fleming? They seemed to be blond in the films. In fact I always assumed that Ginger Rogers was blond and I don't think I have ever seen a colour photo of her so she may be blond but if so why is she called Ginger?

Shot 3 is a great advert for B&W IR film for redheads or possibly even Pan film with a red filter.

pentaxuser

I think you're right about redheads being rendered as blonds in B&W.

The most famous redhead of all? Lucille Ball ("Lucy, you have some 'splainin' to do!")

EDIT:

BTW: I found out on Wikipedia that Ginger Rogers and Lucille Ball were distant cousins:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Rogers

Interesting tidbit - Rogers was a staunch Republican and Ball a Democrat but they remained close.

Here's the only color pic I could find - and yes, GR was a redhead:

http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Ginger-Rogers-Posters_i307057_.htm

 

[jim appleyard]

Was Lucille Ball a true redhead? In her early work she was a blonde, or at least it showed up on film that way. Weren't there several references to "Henna Rinse" in I Love Lucy? (Now that we're way off topic )

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

I think it was always that she showed up on film that way.

 

[pentaxuser]

George. Thanks for the GR picture. It's strange that while I probably only saw a couple of GR and Fred Astaire films in the 50's and distinctly recall her as blond, I must have seen dozens of B&W "I Love Lucy" episodes on U.K. TV and yet I was never so clearly aware of Lucille Ball's hair colour as I was of GR's.

This might have been a compliment to the show and Lucille's and Desi's acting. I remember that Desi did a short but great impression of Humphrey Bogart in one of the episodes.

There were some other great half hour comedy shows from the U.S. such as Burns and Allen, Bilko and while it may not be politically correct nowadays, I thought Amos and Andy was great.

Although as best as I can recall it, it didn't denigrate African Americans. Kingfish was the slightly henpecked husband with a firebrand for a wife and mother-in law and full of zany money-making ideas while bemoaning his position compared to his batchelor and richer friend, Andy or was it Amos? One of the latter two actually had very little to do in most episodes. I forget which

Anyway I am rambling again and a mile off subject.

pentaxuser

 

[kraker]

sorry...

Quick follow-up... Amazing to see 500+ redheads together. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts, but, alas... I ended up shooting "only" Kodachrome 64, no B&W at all...

Now I just have to wait a few weeks to see the results.:munch:

 

[copake_ham]

Quick follow-up... Amazing to see 500+ redheads together. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts, but, alas... I ended up shooting "only" Kodachrome 64, no B&W at all...

Now I just have to wait a few weeks to see the results.:munch:

You shot 500+ redheads with Kodachrome 64?

OMG, man, you are going to need sunglasses to look at those slides!

"Give me those nice bright colors...."

 

[kraker]

You shot 500+ redheads with Kodachrome 64?

OMG, man, you are going to need sunglasses to look at those slides!

"Give me those nice bright colors...."

Well, I don't think I got them all in one shot, and neither did I take 500 shots, but... yeah, I'm hoping the colours will be as vibrant as Simon and Garfunkel sang.

edit: Just saw some pics in the local newspaper, some in colour, some in B&W. Seeing those, I'm glad I chose colour this time...

 

[Cheryl Jacobs]

I think you're right about redheads being rendered as blonds in B&W.

It totally depends on the hue of the red hair. As mentioned, I'm a natural redhead, but my hair is dark auburn and photographs as nearly black. (Photo by husband Bob.)

 

[Robert Hall]

Ok, a little late but as promised, here is a color shot of the young lady I photographed in Ortho and IR...

As one can see, her skin is somewhere in between the two.

 

[Black Dog]

Red is the colour

:munch: :munch: :munch: :munch: !

 

[fhovie]

I am married to a redhead. For 22 years it has been very exciting. My photos of her make her freckles much more pronounced than they normally appear. This is Tri-x pushed to 1600 in mytol 1:3

 

[kraker]

You shot 500+ redheads with Kodachrome 64?

OMG, man, you are going to need sunglasses to look at those slides!

"Give me those nice bright colors...."

As a follow-up, although it has nothing to do with IR film anymore, some results are now available on my website (starting from September 24th).