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I'm starting to get back into shooting on film, and my knowledge of things is a bit out of date - I haven't shot film at all for >15 years. I'm mostly interested in 120 (probably some 35mm too), starting with black & white but this question will apply to color emulsions eventually, I think.

I see some familiar names in the "what films are being made" area (FP4, HP5, TMax 100/400, etc) but quite a few that I just don't know (Foma? Adox? Some others). Is there any good resource that talks about some of these different films, anyone who has either tested a good number of them or collected links to such testing? I'm hoping there's a thread here that I just haven't found yet.

Am I right in assuming things like "FP4 and HP5 are the same as they've always been" to start with?
 

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Nothing reliable or comprehensive. The most skilled photographers are making photos with a film or small number of films and not trying everything under the sun.
If your budget is good, you can not go wrong with the normal Kodak and Ilford options. It's worth something to have a reliable film.
Aside from that, I've had good luck with a small sample size of the Agfa/Catlabs x320pro film.
I tried Foma 10 years ago and had curl and emulsion quality issues and haven't gone back, though I love their paper.
There are probably threads here that discuss specific films and their nuances.
 

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My advice would be to stick with Ilford film to start with. Get used to using them and see if you are happy with the results. (same would apply to Kodak)

Visit the Ilford website for info and ideas.

Then when you feel confident enough, try the Fomas or Adox or the other films.

To use a cooking analogy, it is better to cook the one recipe, 100 times, than to cook 100 recipes just once.
 

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Try some Kentmere to get going (basically an inexpensive variant of Ilford, eh?). Inexpensive and a good basic film stock to get your sea legs back.

Foma is good and inexpensive as well, but the curl is pronouced, whereas the Kentmere dries flat and stays flat.
 

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Well, if Ilford hasn't changed their products in recent decades, I'll probably stick with them. I always did like the grain and response curves of their films, although at least Tri X still exists too... Okay, back to the old reliables it is!
Ilford makes FP4 Plus and HP5 Plus. the plus is mostly related to the way their factory is set up with high computerization to produce Consistant results.

If you have used HP5 or FP4 in the past, you should feel right at home. if you previously used HP4 or FP3, yu will find the current film likely improved.

Kentmere is another line made by the Ilford folks. they claim it is designed for users who want a lower cost material. The same folks also make the "Delta" line of films with special grain technology. which some folks perfer. If you last used the HP5 I would recommend starting with HP5+.

Foma has become available in the west with the Czech republic now being part of Europe. It was formerly mostly sold behind the Iron Curtain, although the company has been reorganized when the Iron Curtain fell. The same factory is also the Source of the "Arista EDU Ultra" films which are available in some markets.
 

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I've pretty much standardized on FP4+, HP5 when I need the speed (can be pushed two stops with ease.) These two films are very forgiving and consistent. The price isn't outrageous either. I shoot formats in this order: 4x5, 120, 5x7, 35mm, 8x10, 9x12cm. Have obtained good results with FP4+/HP5 in all of them.


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I see some familiar names in the "what films are being made" area (FP4, HP5, TMax 100/400, etc) but quite a few that I just don't know (Foma? Adox? Some others). Is there any good resource that talks about some of these different films, anyone who has either tested a good number of them or collected links to such testing? I'm hoping there's a thread here that I just haven't found yet.

Am I right in assuming things like "FP4 and HP5 are the same as they've always been" to start with?
Let me start by quoting my favorite Carly Simon song: These are the good old days!

I got back into film in 2019 after a twenty-or-so-year hiatus. I mostly shoot B&W, mostly 35 and some 120. (Back in the day I only shot 35.)

FP4+ and HP5+ are the same, or at least close enough to what I remember. I understand Tri-X has been reformulated but I don't remember if it's much different (I was more of a TMax guy back in the day). Plus-X is gone. T-Max may be a little different but acts the same; I believe is the same for Delta, Ilford's tabular-grain film. While I'm a former Rochestarian, I mostly shoot Ilford films; Kodak is pricier an the negatives curl which make it harder to scan on my flatbed Epson. Biggest difference is that you don't need a hardening fixer, though I'm not sure if we ever did. I use Ilford Rapid Fixer, which has a fast three-step rinse.

D-76 is the same, as is HC-110, and so are the Ilford developers.

As you've seen, there are lots of new films you might not have heard of, or which were common in other parts of the world. Foma is interesting, gritty, grainy stuff, though I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with it. Haven't used Adox yet. I think my favorite discovery is Kentmere, made by the same folks who make Ilford. I like it a lot and it's cheaper than HP5 and FP4. I really liked Ultrafine XTreme, too, but I don't think it's been around much since the pandemic. (Some thought it was rebadged Kentmere or Ilford, but no one is quite sure.) For low light, HP5+ pushed two stops to 1600 is my go-to.

I find some changes in my own tastes: I used to shoot tab-grain because of the resolution, but now it looks too digital to me -- if I want that high a level of detail, I can use my Sony a6000. I tend to stick with the traditional grain films.

Developing is better, there's a thing called the Massive Dev Chart (Google it) with combos for all films and developers, though it's community-developed and I prefer to go with the manufacturers' data sheets and only use the MDC if I can't find one. Data sheets are easy to find too, thank you Interwebs.

Lots of film reviews out there, many from young film newbies, and I say take 'em all with a grain of salt. People shoot and (more importantly) develop differently, so they don't get consistent results, and they also seem to forget that negatives are not slides, and that they do not determine final image quality -- they grew up in the age of scanning (often done by labs), so they don't realize that we wanted maximum information in our negatives and could adjust contrast, exposure, etc. in the printing process (and can also do that to our scans, better still if we scan ourselves). My opinion; Buy a roll of everything and a container of D-76, break out your old developing tanks and reels and decide for yourself what you like.

Color neg supplies have been a bit sketchy since the pandemic, and prices are up a bit for B&W, but it's still a great time to be shooting film: Plenty of cameras out there, some bargains (though some still overpriced), all the chemicals you could want, and a massive community filled with both old-timers and young people doing exciting new things. And if you simply do what you did in the 1990s, you'll still be fine.

Welcome to the new Golden Age of Film! :smile:

Aaron
 

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I see some familiar names in the "what films are being made" area (FP4, HP5, TMax 100/400, etc) but quite a few that I just don't know (Foma? Adox? Some others). Is there any good resource that talks about some of these different films, anyone who has either tested a good number of them or collected links to such testing? I'm hoping there's a thread here that I just haven't found yet.
If you do a search under the user name Aparat, you'll find that he has done considerable testing of various films and presented the curves.

Kodak and Ilford still make various film, but fewer Kodak films than years ago. Ilford is considerably cheaper than Kodak, and I think just as good quality. The Pan F, FP4+ and HP5+ are conventional films, and the Delta family are the newer style tabular grain films ( similar to T-Max).

Kodak no longer makes B&W paper, so Ilford is the easiest to get choice. Ilford have recently introduced a new generation of Multigrade paper, replacing the previous Multigrade IV. The Kodak chemisty is now made in China, while Ilford is made in Germany.
 

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and my knowledge of things is a bit out of date

Not if it comes to FP4+; it still stands out as a unique film which can often be identified in the crowd for its nice deep blacks and the eligibility for landscape.

And the new kid on the block that is interesting enough is Adox CHS 100 ii. I only know the 4x5, but I trust the 120 is just as good. I really love its tonal scale, deep blacks and the low base plus fog. All other new kids are hyped by the producers and are seldom very special, but imply in any case a lot of testing compared to their real surplus value. I use Foma sometimes for instance to test a ‘new’ camera but in the end you want something more solid.
 
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@madsox The best online source of good quality comparison of modern B&W films that I am aware of is Greg Davis. Unfortunately he does not maintain a web site and posts his tests as Youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/@TheNakedPhotographer/videos

Yes, watching videos is the most annoying way to consume information but welcome to 2023 :-(

Not all videos are film tests, but as you scroll down you'll see which ones are. He compares all films to Tri-X. Here's one for Fomapan 100:
 

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More useful than the Massive Development chart is FilmDev.org. This shows film/rating/developer/time/ temperature with examples which guide you to different looks. This has helped me decide on different combinations quite successfully. EG. How to get best Rodinal FP4 4 combo and FP4 and HC110 ‘B’ dilution combo - highly recommended!
 

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Nothing reliable or comprehensive. The most skilled photographers are making photos with a film or small number of films and not trying everything under the sun.
If your budget is good, you can not go wrong with the normal Kodak and Ilford options. It's worth something to have a reliable film.
Aside from that, I've had good luck with a small sample size of the Agfa/Catlabs x320pro film.
I tried Foma 10 years ago and had curl and emulsion quality issues and haven't gone back, though I love their paper.
There are probably threads here that discuss specific films and their nuances.

I would go with this. First decide do you want traditional or tabular grain and the film speed. That will cut down the number of choices for Kodak or Ilford film. Shoot a few rolls and go from there.
 

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If you do a search under the user name Aparat, you'll find that he has done considerable testing of various films and presented the curves.
I'd certainly say aparat is a lot better than his Foma counterpart in the communist era who was called I believe, apparatchik😄


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@madsox The best online source of good quality comparison of modern B&W films that I am aware of is Greg Davis. Unfortunately he does not maintain a web site and posts his tests as Youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/@TheNakedPhotographer/videos

Yes, watching videos is the most annoying way to consume information but welcome to 2023 :-(

Not all videos are film tests, but as you scroll down you'll see which ones are. He compares all films to Tri-X. Here's one for Fomapan 100:


You're right about videos - I still like to *read* reviews and how-to guides and things, but I'm slowly adapting to Youtube being the first place to go when you need to look something up. This link sounds promising, and some of the other feedback has been great.

I always have liked traditional grain better than T grains, that's part of why I'm getting back to film work. I'll be warming up with some Ilford to get a feel for things, then try some different films (Foma and Adox, I'm curious about them) but first I need to get shooting. Grabbed a few rolls of FP4+ to start, the lightmeter has fresh batteries, cameras are ready to test!
 

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You can't go wrong with FP4, it's a very forgiving film. I haven't shot any, but there have been numerous reports of quality control issues with Fomapan 200 in 120.
 

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I worked in retail during what some might consider to be the heyday of film choice and improvements.
There wasn't one good, reliable, comprehensive and unbiased such source back then either :smile:
 

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@madsox The best online source of good quality comparison of modern B&W films that I am aware of is Greg Davis. Unfortunately he does not maintain a web site and posts his tests as Youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/@TheNakedPhotographer/videos

Yes, watching videos is the most annoying way to consume information but welcome to 2023 :-(

Not all videos are film tests, but as you scroll down you'll see which ones are. He compares all films to Tri-X. Here's one for Fomapan 100:

Very good standardized tests indeed. I very much like his diplomatic style of bringing bad news or critique. It's stunning that Fomapan is as (un)sharp as TriX, and how he brings that news, funny!
 
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