Helen--I am not familiar with IJC/OPM, but the way I do it in QTR is to start with a grayscale step tablet on the computer screen. Then I invert it to a neg, print the neg using QTR and a "best guess" QTR profile, then print the neg on a piece of palladium coated paper to make a positive print and use a flat bed scanner to measure what tones actually came out in the positive print. Then the Input/Output values (step tones in the computer/tones measured on the final print) are each subtracted from 100 to transpose them from positive space to negative space, then the transposed pairs are inverted and fed into the gray curve function of the "best guess" QTR profile to effect the final linearization."Just invert the image file to make a negative, and let the ink settings in your QTR profile adjust negative contrast and linearize the midtones."
Why not just make an inverted profile? It works with IJC/OPM, so I assume that it would work with QTR.
Best,
Helen
Welcome aboard Ron. I have your book already pre-ordered from Amazon. Is the link working yet with your update?
Is there any chance you can make some of your QTR profiles for the common Epson printers available here on the site? Or do you have a companion CD or something with your book?
Again, welcome.
Helen--I am not familiar with IJC/OPM, but the way I do it in QTR is to start with a grayscale step tablet on the computer screen. Then I invert it to a neg,...
Does this answer your question?
Thanks for the reply. I didn't explain myself very well.
I don't invert the positive image in Photoshop, the profile takes care of that - ie it lays down more ink for a PS value of 255 than it does for 0, instead of the normal way of laying down the most ink for 0 and no ink for 255. No adjustment curve or inversion is applied in PS - you just get the positive image looking as you want it, then print it using the 'IG2.1K' profile, for example.
Best,
Helen
Ron,
When I load that txt file you attached as a qidf in curve creator I see something that I think is strange. In the Ink Setup | Curve file input the following appears:
"0;0 2;10 6;30 15;50 47;70 72;80 83;85 95;90 98;95 100;100"
Shouldn't this be in the "Linearization" boxes? I'm running QTR 2.4.3.10
~m
M--
QTR has at least three different methods for linearising midtones. One is to use the Gray Highlight, Gray Shadow and Gray Gamma settings to get an approximate linearization. Another is the Linearize function I think you are talking about which takes densitometer readings of the output and attempts to linearize from that. The method I am using is a function called "Gray Curve" which, in the profiles where I have seen it used, is located just below Gray highlight, shadow, and gamma. Gray Curve takes Input/Output values (expressed in % black), suitably transposed into negative space and inverted and uses them to attempt a linearization. Usually it is a good idea to get in the ball park with Gray highlight, shadow and gamma before using the Gray Curve function.
In any event, the two .txt files I attached to my post are complete QTR profiles. To use them they just need to be installed using the Install script.
Does this help? Cheers, Ron Reeder
Install Script? I don't see anything about an install script in the literature (FWIW I'm using W2K). Are the txt files you attached QIDF or PPD files or something else? What I was seeing looked like it was imported incorrectly. Like the wrong data showed up in the wrong cell.
Is there any chance you can make some of your QTR profiles for the common Epson printers available here on the site?
Again, welcome.
Clay-- Don't know what I was thinking when you made this request. There is no reason to wait until we get the kinks ironed out of our website. Here are the two QTR profiles I have written for making digital negatives with the 2200. One is for palladium printing and the other is for silver printing. I also post the ReadMe file that tells the specific conditions the profiles were contstructed for.
Let me know how these work out. Ron Reeder
I will give them a shot this afternoon.
M--
QTR has at least three different methods for linearising midtones. One is to use the Gray Highlight, Gray Shadow and Gray Gamma settings to get an approximate linearization. Another is the Linearize function I think you are talking about which takes densitometer readings of the output and attempts to linearize from that. The method I am using is a function called "Gray Curve" which, in the profiles where I have seen it used, is located just below Gray highlight, shadow, and gamma. Gray Curve takes Input/Output values (expressed in % black), suitably transposed into negative space and inverted and uses them to attempt a linearization. Usually it is a good idea to get in the ball park with Gray highlight, shadow and gamma before using the Gray Curve function.
In any event, the two .txt files I attached to my post are complete QTR profiles. To use them they just need to be installed using the Install script.
Does this help? Cheers, Ron Reeder
Clay-- Be advised that these two profiles were written when I was still using dark black and light black inks to print negatives. I now know that using all seven inks gives much smoother tones. However, I have not yet had time to write seven ink profiles for the 2200. These will get you started and give you a flavor of what the QTR approach can do. If you like I maybe I can later show you how to write them for all seven inks. Cheers, Ron Reeder
When you say seven inks do you mean seven grey inks or seven CMYK inks?
... But, as I tried to explain in an earlier post to Helen Bach, to work for printing negatives the number pairs must first be transposed from positive space to negative space and then inverted. ...
Ron,
My original question was about why there was a necessity to do inversions and apply adjustment curves in Photoshop.
Helen
Helen, it really doesn't need to be in QTR itself, but just a function inside the GUI to flip things into negative. Once again I'll say that after looking at both applications, the GUI for IJC/OPM really makes it easy to use, and probably well worth the increase in price. It should be noted that to really get the most out of these applications, that you will need a densitometer to measure the different targets used in linearizing the the output. Better is to use a supported spectrophotometer, but that gets into even more money.
Helen, it really doesn't need to be in QTR itself, but just a function inside the GUI to flip things into negative...
I'm probably not explaining myself very well here. The method I use does not involve flipping anything into the negative in any part of the user interface, it is an inherently negative process in that it puts down no ink when sent a pixel value of 1 and full ink when sent a pixel value of 255. QTR appears to be able to do that already, it is just the curve creation and linearisation methods that make it a little awkward (but not impossible).
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