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Ketchup. What else?
Weird people from Holland use mayo. Must be the wooden Klompen
Salt and vinegar of coarse , what else ? ( sea salt for preference )
Although I occasionally go for a good going over of curry sauce on them .
What do you put on yours ?
Salt, of course. And. Either ketchup or catsup.
an alternative is smothered with chili, onion, and ‘Mercian cheese… garnished with a dill pickle slice.
I expect that your perceptions of the law in Germany are influenced by the relative amount of available space you have in New Mexico.
More importantly, when it comes to the subject of this thread, is the question of what effect the new law might have on freedoms that have been enjoyed in the UK for many generations - probably longer than the USA has been in existence.
It may be that the new law won't withstand common law protections. Or perhaps it will - common law protections work in different ways than the US or Canadian versions.
the law has another befit:More people from mainland Europe will travel to France instead of the UK, which is overrated photographically anyway.The Government are trying to bring in a new law to curtail peoples freedom to travel around their own country .
Like many others I have a campervan and like to travel around the country .
Being a photographer I travel to many a remote location and will find a quiet layby or remote carpark to park up in overnight where overnight parking is allowed .
I'm completely self contained in my campervan and always leave a place as I found it ( or even tidier )
If this law came in I could be sent to prison , fined and my van destroyed , just for parking up overnight !
In principle the law does have some merit for the purpose intended , but is badly written , victimising people going about their lawful business .
The idea behind introducing the law is to to make it harder for such as road protesters to set up camp on private land to prevent work going ahead , and so on .
But it will effect thousands of people who live in their vans permanently or for holidays . This doesn't jest effect gypsies invading peoples private land leaving rubbish and filth behind until the police move them on , but people that just travel around in a respectful manner .
For more information , see here ; https://www.euronews.com/travel/202...on-be-criminalised-for-wild-camping-in-the-uk
For those that agree that that people should be allowed to go about doing what they enjoy , or the lifestyle they choose that has no detrimental effect on others , or just to be allowed to live in a free country , please sign the petition below to get the proposed law amended ; https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/583903
If not it's the thin edge of the wedge . What will the Government make illegal next ?
After a year and a half of lockdowns it seems the Government have got a taste for running a Police state and might be getting ready to start a new fascist regime !
Value your freedom , stand-up for your rights , don't let them be eroded away .
Or soon you'll have neither ...
Are you no longer allowed to camp in designated campsites? I can understand not allowing camping by the side of the road. If you tried camping on my private property, I’d run you off. Neither of the links you provided link to the text of the law so I don’t know what it says. I think the petition is just to eliminate forfeiting the vehicle as a penalty, at least that is what I initially saw. I can’t get back into the petition because I live in the US.
Ok. That would be illegal here as well. Just ask Mick from Wolf Creek.I notice your in Australia , so to put it in context , if you went travelling around your country in the outback for eg , in a campervan / motorhome / RV etc , you get to the end of the day and you find somewhere out of the way to park up overnight to sleep .
Then moving on after breakfast the following morning .
That's wild camping .
It's an alternative to staying on an official camp site of trailer park .
It's the same as if you went back packing , you walk for a day , set up camp for the night , and move on the next morning .
leaving the area as you found it .
That's also wild camping .
Please note I am referring to parking up somewhere in the middle of nowhere and not in a village , or on someone's lawn or drive !
I.live in a national park and the land isn't public land.
It's owned by dukes, Lords, farmers, and the very wealthy. Access to it is governed by parks authoritirs and government laws but you cannot just walk where ever you like in a national park.
There is a common land too. My house is surrounded on 3 sides by common land but that does not mean you can sleep on it. It's common grazing land for different farms.
To try to bring this back at least a little bit toward photography, you might recall the furor when Andreas Gursky's photographic work "Rhein II" sold for a huge amount of money.
You will recall, it is an amazingly boring view - here is a thumbnail:
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People complained that there was nothing there, so why the huge price.
And of course, that was at least part of the point, because the only way to show nothing on the banks of the Rhein is to digitally manipulate a photograph to remove everything beside the Rhein - otherwise the river bank is just too crowded with stuff. Germany is a relatively very crowded place, and the rules there reflect that.
If you are going to consider stuff like this, you really need to understand the environment and the context.
The legislation that the OP is concerned about needs to be considered in relation to the rules and practices and very well entrenched freedoms that exist in those parts of the UK that it will affect. It is very difficult to apply norms and rules and expectations from elsewhere. In particular places like the US, where freedoms are extended so unequally.
A layby at the side of the road intended for parking on is part of the highway .
Not privately own by a lord or a farmer .
At some point the land that it and the road is built on would have been their land , but was bought off them and they have no control over it .
A field next to it is privately owned by someone , and to park up on that without permission would be trespass .
But that isn't what's being discussed here .
It's areas off the main carriageways of the highway that are currently fine to park up on overnight .
Also the rules regarding the use of common land can vary .
A campervan parked on the carpark that is part of the common is fine unless their is signage stipulating no overnight parking , or campervan's etc .
Yepwhat do you mean by unequally extended freedoms? State to State?
On the other hand, many European countries have sort of freedom-to-roam easements for hiking that allow established walking routes to cross private land. I've hiked on official trails following blazes and signs that took me right through someone's front yard while they were hanging up the laundry and chatting with the neighbors. In the US, that would get you a trespassing citation and maybe a threat of physical harm. So there's more than one kind of freedom.
Yep
In particular, voting.
Troll LOLYep
In particular, voting.
there are lots of things that stop people from moving from state to state, like skin tone.If you don't like the laws in AZ, you can move to OH. It may take effort, time and money but the government isn't stopping you.
Without getting into politics....You may be right about New Mexico, which has lot's of open space and federal lands that are open to all. But I am disturbed by ever increasing regimentation and laws. that limit personal freedom. I do think we and others should have the right to sleep in our RVs, not everywhere perhaps but in lots of places. The alternative is paying for motels, hotels or commercial campgrounds. And the ban on open camping seems somehow typically Germanic. Hope this is not too political.
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