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Pushing adds contrast by lowering the values of the shadows while theoretically keeping the high midtones where they would have been if the film's ISO was actually what the film was rated at, and raising the value of the highlights. It should definitely raise contrast and make the brightest highlights very bright. If the details in the high mid tones block up when you do this, it just means you have pushed unnecessarily, or too far.

To understand it, it helps to look at S curves for a normally exposed and processed film and for an underexposed and overprocessed film; preferably on the same graph. What you are doing by pushing is creating a more contrasty film, so yes, it does become harder to capture detail in the higher tones and the lower tones simultaneously. Imagine taking a technically-difficult, high-contrast film like Iford Pan F and making it an 800 or 1600 film. That is basically what you get when you push 400: a high speed film with the contrast of a low speed film.

Everybody who often shoots in low light hand held has made the mistake of pushing unnecessarily and losing more from the high end than they wanted. Better judgment of the contrast in which you are shooting (AKA lots of practice and printing of the results) helps, as does a spot meter.

Some tricks I have used to lower contrast in low-light shots that I have mistakenly overdeveloped are split-grade printing, two-bath lith printing, shadow masking, or copying a low-contrast print on to sheet film and altering exposure and development of the sheet film to get contrast where I want it.

Sometimes, in low light that is contrasty, it is better to underexpose and leave development as normal (or to "stand" develop) for this very reason.

However, for me, the whole purpose of pushing is to favorably capture the mid tones on the neg with the density and contrast I want. I don't mind dropped shadows or blown highlights in most low-light hand held pictures; not one bit. I think the contrast often suits the subject matter
 
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Before You Drop D-23

Or, go back to using Diafine and gain a stop of shadow
speed back and have easily printable negatives. I think
my D23 experiment is about over. At least when I pull
the negs off the roll after using Diafine they look like
healthy negatives.

Diafine is an A then B developer and it's working, give
or take some little, the same as any A then B developer.
Developer depletion and bromide inhibition are the working
mechanisms. The film Loads with developer in bath A then
the developer is activated in bath B. The very exposed
areas soon consume the developer and the bromide
build up slows development. Little exposed areas
continue to develop.

The same mechanisms are at work with Very dilute
developers when little agitation is used. Prior to ending
your D-23 experiments you should try it at a 1:7 dilution.
I use 500ml for a roll of 120. For your self and for starters
with higher speed film, I suggest 20 minutes with
3 inversions each 2 or 3 minutes. Dan
 

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You can also try flashing your paper to tone down your highlights and make them easier to burn in. One way to do is to place a piece translucent acrylic (ie plexi) under the lens and expose for a few seconds (leaving the neg in the enlarger). Then remove plastic an print as normal. You can also hold a card to block off part of the flashing exposure from selected parts of the paper.

Jon

Yup: with pushed negs, flashing is your friend. I use a small LED flashlight.
 

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Another Global Solution

Besides my post 27 and other's suggested global solutions to
the OP's problem there is the Post Exposure Pre Development
bleach technique. For short PEPD method. More usually known
as the SLIMT, Selective Latent Image Manipulation Technique.

The little work I've done using the method has produced
very rewarding results. In short, an EXTREMELY DILUTE
ferricyanide bleach is given the exposed print. Dense
areas of the print are held back allowing additional
print exposure. Result, highlights gain density.

Search APUG for, PEPD .

I've been meaning to post some results but have not
had the available time to master the scanning and
posting procedures. Dan
 
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The same mechanisms are at work with Very dilute
developers when little agitation is used. Prior to ending
your D-23 experiments you should try it at a 1:7 dilution.
I use 500ml for a roll of 120. For your self and for starters
with higher speed film, I suggest 20 minutes with
3 inversions each 2 or 3 minutes. Dan

Holy cow...least developed negatives I've ever pulled off a roll. I did 1+6 dilution at 20C for 20 min with minimal agitation. You can barely see the image. I don't think they will print but I'll try when they dry.
 

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Holy cow...least developed negatives I've ever pulled off a roll.
I did 1+6 dilution at 20C for 20 min with minimal agitation.
You can barely see the image. I don't think they will print
but I'll try when they dry.

The film I've had good results with is Acros, 16 minutes.
IIRC, 3 inversions each 2 minutes. One item I overlooked
is the temperature; 23C. That much more would make
a difference. Of course films vary in the amount of
time needed.

Although possibly not printable that roll should supply
some information concerning the contrast problem you've
been wrestling with. How do the denser areas in the
negative compare with previous results? Are the
shadow areas showing any detail and how do
they compare?

Seeing the negatives to be marginabley printable you
know what direction to go in if you decide to pursue
the method with very dilute D-23. Times are long
but that is usual when very dilute developers are
used. Compensation is what you are after and
very dilute is one way of getting there.

As you know upping the temperature will result in
greater density, all things being equal. Perhaps
some little increase in agitation at 2 minute
intervals. Of course there is always
protracted development. Dan
 

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Holy cow...least developed negatives I've ever pulled off a roll. I did 1+6 dilution at 20C for 20 min with minimal agitation. You can barely see the image. I don't think they will print but I'll try when they dry.
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Did you use fresh stock D23 or did you dilute used and replenished D23 stock. If the latter, that's a no-no. PE, I am sure, can tell us why.
 
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