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"I think eventually it is going to be up to participants to contact each other and determine if a trade is acceptable. Specifying what one wants in exchange is simply a way to streamline the process."

Jim hit the nail on the head there, this doesn't ned to be so complicated guys. Just work out a deal with the other party, follow through with sending your print, and don;t be offended if the other party decides not to trade with you.

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I think Brian and Jim have it.

As far as the scanning issue goes, I've used my Coolpix 990 to digitize LF and MF negs for the web. You can click on my photo website for results. The 35mm stuff (birds and a few of the others) were scanned on a 35mm film scanner.

Also, I've discovered that old SCSI scanners are CHEAP. You can get a decent Agfa or Epson scanner, even with an 8x10" transparency adapter for not much more than the shipping cost, and if you happen to have a SCSI card already in your machine (a new one isn't terribly expensive either), you can get something with way more than enough resolution for the web. I just saw an Agfa Duoscan HiD scanner (1000x2000 dpi, 3.7 Dmax, with 8x10 transparency scanner) go for $55 on eBay, and all the software, drivers and manuals are available from the Agfa website.
 
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Looks like we have a few prints up in the gallery already, great news. Please remember to list how many copies you have available for trade, otherwise we will assume there is an unlimited supply :wink:
 
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THe print exchange gallery is starting to build up some steam. Lost of great pics in there. IS anyone having trouble getting prints scanned? If so, I can do up to 9X14 at work, or anything larger at home with my digital (eck!) camera. Let me know if you need help.

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bmac said:
Looks like we have a few prints up in the gallery already, great news. Please remember to list how many copies you have available for trade, otherwise we will assume there is an unlimited supply :wink:

As long as a) I can get Azo and b) my doctor can get a pulse, there is.
 

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I've posted the number of prints I have on hand, but I could always run another series if there is demand.
 

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Wow, a bit of time away, and now you guys have started another very cool idea to exchange photography with our fellow APUG members. Good idea...esp. after reading Michael Johnstons' article I think on collecting photography in the recent Black&White magazine..nicely done btw).

Glad I missed the complicated part of the discussion and love Jorge's KISS idea's. But, unlike the majority apparantly here, am not digital photo inclined or equiped. When I have a few prints to upload into the gallery I'll need to work something out. Nevertheless, great idea I look forward to in the future.

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Thanks Aggie. I appreciate the offer!

Ireland was a bit wet, but the rain cleared rapidly most times. Beautiful country. Only able to shoot a couple of b&w 35mm rolls; had to leave the LF at home. Maybe another time.

Thanks again,
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Hey kids, just throwing out the offer once again to anyone who would like me to scan their photos. I can do negs up to 8x10 and prints up to 9x14
 
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Ok guys, what gives, there were lots and lots of people interested inthis project. but only a few people have posted photos. Please either reply to this thread, or PM me iof you have suggestins why or why not this is working. I will assume that anyone who PMs me would like their comments kept private.

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Honestly, I feel like I don't have any prints to offer that would interest anyone. On top of that, I've never printed on fiber paper and don't at the moment really have the ability to do so archivally. I'm working with selenium toned RC right now.
 

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I too am only just getting back into fibre after many years of RC and having trouble getting them flat enough to be happy to exchange. I don't remember having such a hard time. In fact I printed my pics again because I wasn't happy with them for various reasons. I'm in the middle of two exchanges, one was posted today but the other one I've decided to stick down which in theory makes it unarchival, but I'll finally get it on it's way! (appologys to those concerned!)

So, in summary, I'm happy to swap RC prints! Just state it on the pic you post and people can make up their own mind.

I must say, there's a whole lot more effort involved in one print exchange than 20 postcards!

P.S. Forgot to add, I haven't posted any pics for swapping although I'm involved in two... I wonder if there's more going on than looks, since we haven't had the 'chat' like the postcards have generated.
 

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Sooner or later, I'll have a print that I feel I can happily sign. Until then, ...
 

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Nige, I dry my fibre prints on sheets of glass and stick them to the glass with water colour tape. They dry perfectly flat!
Good luck.
 

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I think there are a couple of reasons that participation is lacking. First, as a few have stated, they do not believe that there work is a quality worth placing in an exchange, second, I don't think a lot of poeple either have the ability or the desire to scan and post the photos (myself included, I don't feel that a a scan with my current setup gives a good impression of my work.)

I will put forward my ideas from early in this thread. This is something that can be used as a tool to learn about others work and be able to establish communication between members beyond these forums.

My original idea was to have a list and pair up individuals. They exchange prints in a blind exchange. In two weeks or one month or what ever the group decides, you adjust the list so two new people are matched up and they exchange. if the participants want to discuss work ahead of time or know of specific work they want from the other thats ok, but most of the time you would not know what you are going to get. At the end of a year a participant will have 1 or 2 dozen prints from other photographers. Maybe out of the 12 you receive you put them in a box or throw 11 away and hang one. The point is you are exposed to a lot of other work and ideas and skill levels.

Now I will try to address some of the previous criticisms to this idea.

1. What if I only print in platinum or other more expensive processes, and don't want to get an RC print in return?

I understand this concern, and I know the costs involved in producing a fine 8x10 or larger pl/pd print. Two suggestions: 1. we have seperate groups for alternative printing method, you ask to be paired up only a couple of times.

2. I really don't want to get an 8x10 RC print for my AZO contact.

Well, the idea is to be exposed to others work. I really don't think technical methods of paper, chemistry etc should matter (except for pl-pd).
If someone feels that this is inappropriate, contact on RC or graded or bite the bullet.

3. My work is not very good or as technically proficient as more experienced photographers, and I might be embarrased.

We learn from others when we see work technically better then ours and some may learn from seeing the effort made by those with much less experience. Please consider the possibility that a print from a 35mm neg, on RC paper developed in D76 and processed in dektol on a $50 garage sale enlarger by someone taking their first photo class at the community college may present an exciting idea or concept.

4. I don't want to exchange a print made from a LF neg for one printed from a 35mm neg.

Well I guess if Bresson, Gibson, Eugene Smith, Frank, Kertesz etc offered to exchange you would politely refuse them. One of two suggestions: a seperate exchage list for LF people or see #3 above.


Actually now that i think about it some catagories may be in order. We could have a general list, you exchange what ever you want and acept what ever you get in return and then some sub lists such as Alternative, LF, 35mm beginner etc. A person could belong to more then one list if they wanted to put in the effort to make prints pertaining to each list.

Now there will be those who say, people don't like to have deadlines. Well all I can say is if you want to be on the list get the work done or don't join up at this time. If something comes up that will prevent you from being able to participate for a couple rounds notify the list manager and he can skip you the number of rounds you request and then put you back in the mix when notified. if we are grown up enough to play around with grown up chemistry sets we should be able to handle this.

Some small details. I don't think we need to send prints dry mounted and over matted. Send a trimmed, flattened print between some card stock and any information you want to include. If the person receiving it wants to hang it on the wall, they can mount it. If you want to mount the print ahead of time that is up to the sender. This will keep costs down and save time. And some may be concerned asbout the cost of sending prints to participants overseas from there location. This is something that just has to be accepted by participants. maybe we can divide things up by geographic location, but then I think we lose seeing work from others who may have a different perspective because of their location.
As people become interested we add them to the rotation by twos.

Anyways, a lot of details, I would be happy to help organize the effort. So please post any suggestions, comments, and if any one is interested. If just three others are interested it is worthwhile.
 

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I ran out of time but have a couple more comments about my suggested format. I would hope this would be an opportunity for the two poeple who are making an exchange to be able to contact each other off line and discuss their work and photography. It seems to me that having a specific print in hand will foster this type of exchange.

Finally I think that this format will encourage others to post to the current exchange which could continue as an opportunity to exchange specific works with specific photographers.
 

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I thought that the premise of the original concept was sound. Keep it simple. To complicate it with catagories is to complicate matters in my opinion.

One of the benefits of seeing others work is to learn from it. I received a postcard from Ged last week; a posterization. Now folks, I read about posterization about 20 years ago, but I was too damned lazy to go to all of the work and so I never made one and never saw an actual posterization until Ged kindly sent his on to me. Guess what, he made if from a 35 mm negative!!! His postcard posterization is as dear to me as one of my 11X14 prints or even an Azo print.

Les kindly sent a couple of superb prints to me in the postcard exchange...he tells me they were made from medium format. Do I value them any less...far from it. They speak to me and that is all that matters.

Aggie sent me postcards of her "Farm" series. All made on medium format and I love them. I could go on and on. (Jeremy, Eric, Frank, David, Scott, Jim, Frank and of course Lee's Cowboy...wasn't that great!!!) If I want to, I can learn from and appreciate the work of others. The enlarging paper doesn't care what size negative I use.

Brian and I exchanged prints. I proudly display his beautiful print in my home. Good stuff, my friends!!!

Now for those who think that your work isn't up to par. Let me tell you something, I can learn something from each and everyone of you and you from me. This isn't a one way street. Possibly it is a new technique, a new way of seeing, a new idea of something to photograph...heck, when you get rich and famous my heirs will have one of your "vintage" prints...they will thank me for my openmindedness and foresight.

To answer Aggie's earlier post on the Slot Canyon...Yes, I would love if you would post that for exchange Aggie... Because I would want to have one of them.

Well, my soap box is about to collapse from the weight of my sentiment...and so I will say "nuff said".
 

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I think that the current exchange format is fine. I am just trying to come up with away for more work to be exchanged with an even more simple format.

So I will make it simple.

Anyone wanting to participate in a monthly blind exchange can respond on this form or contact me off forum. Any repondents between today and the end of July can plan on having prints in the mail to arrive Sept. 1. if no responds by then I'll consider it a dead idea.

Guidelines:

I will maintain a list and place it on this forum or contact individuals off forum as to who you will excange with. If you want to contact the person about the print or what you want before the exchange that is fine.

There are no guidelines about what is sent. Any format, process or size is ok. There is no correlation between participants. One person may send a 4x5 contact on RC the other 11x14 contact. You get waht you get.

Do not dry mount prints or mat. Send finished prints between stiff cardboard or faomcore. If the recipient wants to mount it that is up to them.

You are only required to send one print but may sent more then one if you wish.


I would encourage participants to discuss their work off forum. One reason for the blind exchange is to be exposed to someone totally new to you that you can learn from and discuss ideas.

I would like to think of this as an exchange of ideas, and concepts in our work. Maybe our best work, maybe an idea we are persuing and want feedback for or maybe one of the not perfect 10 prints a year but one we like for the idea presented.

Anyway, anyone interested let me know.
 

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I'm too busy having fun in the darkroom at the moment - and that is about to end. But when I get back home in September, I'll start thinking seriously about making some "proper" prints...

In the meantime, if anyone wants a bigger print of one of my postcards, I can print any one of them up to 8x10". I'll print on fiber paper, as that's what I'm having fun with :wink:
 

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Jim68134 said:
I think that the current exchange format is fine. I am just trying to come up with away for more work to be exchanged with an even more simple format.

So I will make it simple.

Anyone wanting to participate in a monthly blind exchange can respond on this form or contact me off forum. Any repondents between today and the end of July can plan on having prints in the mail to arrive Sept. 1. if no responds by then I'll consider it a dead idea.

Guidelines:

I will maintain a list and place it on this forum or contact individuals off forum as to who you will excange with. If you want to contact the person about the print or what you want before the exchange that is fine.

There are no guidelines about what is sent. Any format, process or size is ok. There is no correlation between participants. One person may send a 4x5 contact on RC the other 11x14 contact. You get waht you get.

Do not dry mount prints or mat. Send finished prints between stiff cardboard or faomcore. If the recipient wants to mount it that is up to them.

You are only required to send one print but may sent more then one if you wish.


I would encourage participants to discuss their work off forum. One reason for the blind exchange is to be exposed to someone totally new to you that you can learn from and discuss ideas.

I would like to think of this as an exchange of ideas, and concepts in our work. Maybe our best work, maybe an idea we are persuing and want feedback for or maybe one of the not perfect 10 prints a year but one we like for the idea presented.

Anyway, anyone interested let me know.

It was my understanding that Brian was heading this forum. Am I wrong in my understanding? If there has been a change, when and who decided to make the change?
 

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I did not mean to give the impression that I was running the forum. If Brian feels my posts are inapropriate he can move them to another forum or delete them and that will be the end of it.

I understand that we have the "officially" sanctioned APUG print exchange. That is great and I participated in those discussions that led to the final version. I don't want to change that.

However, I thought this particular forum was for organizing such groups or activities. And in my case I am simply saying that I will maintain a list for exchange, contact participants and these are the guidelines. If others have ideas to improve my suggestions that is fine but I may not want to accept them. If no one likes my format then it will be tossed on the trash heap of poorly thought out ideas.

If anyone wants to participate they can contact me on or off forum. I am not asking for a gallery, or seperate forum or page to list the guidelines.
If someone wants to exchange gallery quality work for gallery quality then you should post in the "official" exchange. If you want to exchange ideas in progress, new efforts at technique, or your best work regardless of format and process and are not afraid of getting something unknown in return then do it on this exchange.

If there can only be one print exchange discussed, organized or maintained on APUG then I guess I have misunderstood one of the reasons for its existence.
Anyway, I apologize to any toes I may have stepped on.
 
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