I can see no indication of competition with millennials, but I’ve been buying accessories for my Retinas. Arriving today: close-up kit. In use today (bought a long time ago but not used): Longar telephoto lens.
You mean the f/4? I have both Curtars. Bought years ago but never used. They are up next!
Re: millennials... I pay attention YouTube and know what you are talking about. It’s very nice to see younger folks get interested in older gear and old technology. Makes me feel less nerdy. I’m just not seeing it drive prices up in what I watch. You might be right, though.
On another thread there was a discussion of a few overpriced items seen recently on dealer or auction sites, and a lot of strong opinions were expressed. We user-collectors are now competing with Millennials who are attracted to the medium and entering their peak earning years, as well as with dilettantes and collectors buying up gear to decorate their shelves with. The great film equipment glut of the first decade of the new millennium is over, and we're having to shop carefully, snipe auctions, and buy "project" camera gear or gear with significant cosmetic defects which detract from value significantly but don't affect use. We're also investing in models in need of repair at prices that would have commanded a recently CLA'd model just a few years back.
I own and use a decent collection of gear in Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Pentax M42, Barnack Leica, Retina, and a couple of others. I've recently begun rebuilding the Nikon F system I had in the 1970s. I still need a few items to complete my Hasselblad and Rolleiflex outfits, and lust after a couple of the less common Takumar or Super Takumar lenses, but I'd like to beat the trends while I still can. Like many of us, my interests lie primarily in the pre-electronic era. If I want LEDs and motor drives, I'll stick with my digital outfit.
I'm thinking that several items are still affordable but about to skyrocket out of the range of amateur users and non-collectors. Nikon rangefinders already seem to be headed in this direction, but I still see bargains in Canon rangefinder bodies and LTM Japanese and Russian lenses. I was thinking about buying a bargain early Bronica and a couple of lenses. There are also a plethora of bargain folders with great optics and solid, serviceable shutters and bodies. I have seen some old view camera brands at bargain prices, although Arca and its wannabes are now getting unaffordable.
I thought it would be fun to see what other user collectors are acquiring these days before the hipsters discover them and the prices go sky high. What are you buying or thinking of buying with a plan to use? What mechanical camera systems, unrecognized folders, under appreciated large format, and unrecognized lenses are you looking at?
Andy
The solution is easy: Just do not let dilettantes and collectors and hoarders buy camera equipment.
Oxymoronic but true!if you a quick and are patient.
We user-collectors are now competing with Millennials who are attracted to the medium and entering their peak earning years, as well as with dilettantes and collectors buying up gear to decorate their shelves with.
Eh? Wot? And how, pray, do you propose to make this happen?The solution is easy: Just do not let dilettantes and collectors and hoarders buy camera equipment.
Your just late to the party, not too long ago people would happily give you there old equipment.....but there are still a few bargains come by if you a quick and are patient.
Most old rangies will need a service and once you factor that into the price, you are often better off saving up and paying for one that has been serviced.
I have a few Canons, Kievs and zorkies, none are as good as a Leica. If you want a good quality camera you need to expect to pay for it, if you are happy with something that doesnt function quite as well then there still some bargains come up if you are quick.
The solution is easy: Just do not let dilettantes and collectors and hoarders buy camera equipment.
Eh? Wot? And how, pray, do you propose to make this happen?
Asking prices are all over the place. Some bargains, some reasonable, and some just ridiculous. But they are just somebody’s request. What really counts are the price things actually sell for. I watch those as much as I watch the asking prices. It puts things into a much more sane understanding.
as for the camera... inanimate objects with no feelings.
There were always collectors. Apo Lanthars and similar cult items were always expensive. Nikon rangefinders have been a collector's market since the heyday of film. Just look at all the old pages on Stephen Gandy's Cameraquest website devoted to Nikons and oddball variants thereof. Maybe they are less or more expensive than in the 1990s, I don't know; anyone who buys photo equipment as an investment is not making good decisions. (Buying vintage photos by well known artists would have been a better investment. Plus one would have some art to look at.)
What has changed, perhaps, is that ten years ago, former professional film equipment (for ex, medium format SLRs, or high end 35mm film bodies) got sold off for pennies on the dollar, and now it's rebounded to sell for dimes on the dollar compared to what it originally cost.
Older photo enthusiasts want young people to be interested in film to keep the film manufacturers afloat, but for gods sake don't actually buy film cameras and drive the price up!
I can't complain, I've got full or nearly full outfits in all my favorites from the past.
me too, Andy. All I care about now are accessories to make the experience a broader experience!
All talk, no do.That is an implementation concern. Not my problem.
I've also been watching recent developments in the film camera market. The tastes of Gen Z are exerting pressures now, not just Millenials like me. They are most interested in ease of use and prestige, so something that doesn't have a meter, takes too much work and is too intimidating to use, or isn't beautifully designed will be avoided. Funnily enough, they basically favor the same stuff that older generations have prized. There is a pretty stable canon of "the best cameras" that leaves out many kinds of classic cameras.
Here's a list of some less popular camera types (ignore the truly rare collectibles):
- Plastic fantastic 35mm SLRs from the '80s to '00s (except some Contaxes and the Nikon F100 and such)
- 35mm SLRs w/o meters, pre-1960s
- Vintage folders
- 35mm fixed lens compacts (rigid or folding, scale focus or rangefinder) [Side note: ATM, the Kodak Medalist is the only popular fixed lens, 1940s-era camera I'm aware of.]
- Soviet cameras (except the Pentacon Six TL, whose reputation for poor reliability keeps prices supressed)
- Most TLRs (except the later Rolleis and Mamiyas, Yashicamat 124-G, Minolta Autocord III...)
- Screwmount Leicas and Leica copies (except maybe the Canon P)
- Classic Contax rangefinders
- Point & shoots with a zoom
- APS cameras
- Box cameras
- Stereo cameras
- Plate cameras, drop/falling plate cameras, jumelle cameras
- Monorail and tailboard view cameras
- Folding technical cameras, large and medium format
I'm done picking up cameras to use (except for digital), but I wouldn't mind some shelf queens like a Contax IIa, Pentacon Six TL, Graflex RB something or another 3 1/4 x 4 1/4, drop plate camera, or stereo jumelle. Also, I'm open to any suggestions for a fixed lens 35mm compact (rigid lens or folder) like an Agfa Isolette or Voigtländer Vitomatic. They're just not my thing, so I should probably give them a try.
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