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Here's another from my visit to Fallsville a few weeks ago.

Ilford Ortho Plus film @ sunny setting, with a polarizer and a 2-stop ND filter, 20 seconds.
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That looks great! Nice work!

I've been out shooting with my Holga PC (6x6) the last few days, hope to finish the roll today.

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I finished the roll of Ilford Ortho Plus I had loaded in my Holga PC.

A few observations:
  1. The viewfinder is indeed probably the same as what is supplied on the 120N. Slightly narrower field of view compared to what the pinhole really is capturing. This isn't too big of a deal as I had assumed this would be the case. At least there is some sort of aid in aiming the camera.
  2. The Holga PC seems to be a little "sharper" than my NOON 612 pinhole camera. I know "sharper" is relative when discussing pinhole cameras and Holga cameras in general. But I've always suspected that the NOON doesn't have the spacing done correctly inside to allow the film plane to be flat. It seems like the space between the wood pieces is slightly narrower than the film so that the paper seems "bunched up" when loading. I've always hoped that maybe the back pushed it flat when put together but I don't think so.
  3. The Holga PC doesn't have a hotshoe/coldshoe mount on top like the 120N. I think I'm going to add one as a convenient place to put a bubble level. I added one to the NOON on the top and one of the sides and that's helped a lot with getting it level quickly when composing.
An example from the roll is below.

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A non-flat film plane won't cause unsharpness in a pinhole camera. It'll cause distortion. Much more likely that your NOON has an less optimal pinhole size than your Holga PC. Presuming NOON gave you the effecive aperture ratio (f stop), and Lomography did the same, you ought to be able to compare the holes you actually have against an optimum calculation for he projection distance of each camera.
 
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A non-flat film plane won't cause unsharpness in a pinhole camera. It'll cause distortion. Much more likely that your NOON has an less optimal pinhole size than your Holga PC. Presuming NOON gave you the effecive aperture ratio (f stop), and Lomography did the same, you ought to be able to compare the holes you actually have against an optimum calculation for he projection distance of each camera.

OK, maybe I'm mis-understanding, but I thought that there was an optimal distance for the film to be away from the pinhole based on the pinhole size. If the film is curled, and therefor potentially not in the proper plane/distance in some parts, wouldn't that affect the "sharpness" of the image?

I haven't ran the calcs yet and measured to see if the distance is correct on the NOON. The NOON is f/214 and the Holga is f/192.

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A millimeter or two from optimum won't make any visible difference in the image.
 
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A millimeter or two from optimum won't make any visible difference in the image.

OK, thanks.

Here's a Holga 120N image shot on Tri-X last week. Semi-stand developed in Rodinal 1:100.

I call this "Office#2". My wife and I have both been working from home for the past 4 months, and we have our computers and monitors set up at our large dining room table. Sometimes one of us has a tele-meeting or needs some quiet, so our back deck often functions as our second office during these times.

You can just see my light meter and Holga lens cap on the table in the foreground. The pergola uprights are really skewed by the lens.

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Another 120N Holga shot.

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This was from last weekend at Pyramid Hill near Hamilton, Ohio. The remains of an old stone house. Tri-X 400 semi-stand developed in Rodinal 1:100.

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Very cool. I should try stand, normally toss my tri-x into 1:25 rodinal for 12 minutes or so. It's very forgiving, which is probably a good thing :smile:

I was down in Donegal last weekend with my bowdlerized frankenholga. Ended up just doing a Holga on it anyhow, f/16 & 1/100 and scale focused :smile:

 
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Nice!

Here's another from last week at Pyramid Hill. I call it "All That Remains". Shot on my 120N on Kodak Tri-X 400, Semi-stand developed in Rodinal 1:100.

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Nice image Daire!

I don't have a WPC but I did just pick up a Holga 120 Pan - looking forward to shooting with it.

Another shot to keep it going. "Bridge to Hamilton" - Holga 120N on Ortho Plus film. Semi-stand developed in Rodinal 1:100 for 60 minutes.

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Nice, I love that one & the pillar above, it has that perfect holga fade around the edges. Where did you get the Pan ? I've been on the lookout for one for a while, they never seem to pop up on EBay. Not too happy with the WPC, I have a slightly tighter pinhole (0.25mm instead of the current 0.3mm) ordered to see if it'll make a difference.
 
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Nice, I love that one & the pillar above, it has that perfect holga fade around the edges. Where did you get the Pan ? I've been on the lookout for one for a while, they never seem to pop up on EBay. Not too happy with the WPC, I have a slightly tighter pinhole (0.25mm instead of the current 0.3mm) ordered to see if it'll make a difference.

Thanks!

So I too have been on the look-out for one, as I think they only made them for a short while and they seem to be fairly scarce. I've been looking on eBay for quite a long time and have a standing search enabled, but they never came up.

I was reading a UK photographer's blog and happened across an entry he made 2 years ago about shooting his new-to-him Holga 120 Pan and how he wasn't super enthused about the results. So I took a chance and shot him a note and asked him if he wanted to sell - he stated that he hadn't shot it since and would put it in the mail for me immediately. Should be here soon. A bit of good luck I guess.

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My Holga 120 Pan arrived Friday afternoon, so Saturday morning I took it out to shoot a few rolls of Ektar.

A lot of fun to shoot - certainly less cumbersome and worrisome to carry around compared to my big GX617 set-up. Image size on the negs was 5.2cm x 12cm, so it was more of a 2.3 to 1 ration versus a 2 to 1 ratio. Viewfinder doesn't exactly match the scene, seems to be a bit of parallax even for far away subjects. Need to learn to adjust for that better with future shots. Overall pretty happy with it. I think the lens is a little "sharper" (I know, relative term with Holgas) than my 120N lenses. Need to see if the Pan has a glass lens maybe (?).

Here's an image from Saturday's outing. I'll share a few more later.

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OK, maybe I'm mis-understanding, but I thought that there was an optimal distance for the film to be away from the pinhole based on the pinhole size. If the film is curled, and therefor potentially not in the proper plane/distance in some parts, wouldn't that affect the "sharpness" of the image?

I haven't ran the calcs yet and measured to see if the distance is correct on the NOON. The NOON is f/214 and the Holga is f/192.

Jeremy

Curved film plane in pinhole camera actually improves sharpness corner to corner, but introduces curvature to most horizotal (and to lesser extent diagonal) lines, except one horizontal that is dead center on the hole.

Pinhole size does depend on film to hole distance but science is not that exact, so the only way to get best combination of the two for best sharpness is by experimentation. Since no pinholes are exactly the same, even in production, each is going to need some fiddling. At the end of the day there is a point when return on time invested is no longer worth it and several other factors play into pinhole projection quality on any given day anyways. Sticking to well established formulas to get the right combination is typically sufficient.
 
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Curved film plane in pinhole camera actually improves sharpness corner to corner, but introduces curvature to most horizotal (and to lesser extent diagonal) lines, except one horizontal that is dead center on the hole.

Pinhole size does depend on film to hole distance but science is not that exact, so the only way to get best combination of the two for best sharpness is by experimentation. Since no pinholes are exactly the same, even in production, each is going to need some fiddling. At the end of the day there is a point when return on time invested is no longer worth it and several other factors play into pinhole projection quality on any given day anyways. Sticking to well established formulas to get the right combination is typically sufficient.

Thanks for that. I understand the curved film plane thing - one of the pinhole cameras, the Reality So Subtle, I was looking originally before the NOON was a 6x12 that had a curved plane.

Unfortunately the NOON pinhole I have the film is curved top to bottom, not side to side, and I don't think even that is uniform. It's cupped and I think the wooden back of the camera puts some pressure on it when its shut but not certain how much. It probably doesn't affect anything - In the end it may just be a bad pinhole or not optimized for its size. Either way I don't see me using it much anymore since the Holga 120 PC seems to be fairly good and I think the Holga 120 Pan will scratch my itch for low-fi 6x12 images.

Thanks!

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Thanks for that. I understand the curved film plane thing - one of the pinhole cameras, the Reality So Subtle, I was looking originally before the NOON was a 6x12 that had a curved plane.

Unfortunately the NOON pinhole I have the film is curved top to bottom, not side to side, and I don't think even that is uniform. It's cupped and I think the wooden back of the camera puts some pressure on it when its shut but not certain how much. It probably doesn't affect anything - In the end it may just be a bad pinhole or not optimized for its size. Either way I don't see me using it much anymore since the Holga 120 PC seems to be fairly good and I think the Holga 120 Pan will scratch my itch for low-fi 6x12 images.

Thanks!

Jeremy
Whichever way the curve goes, it affects those lines (verticals in your case). Curved film plane visibly improves edge sharpness in panoramic formats where distance from center to side is quite large, the smaller the format the less of an impact it has.

I know there is a number of "commercial" pinhole cameras that do not get even close to what pinhole can give, far from it in fact. At the same time, pinhole's, often trendy, culture calls for all kinds of boxes with a hole, and with zero regard to pinhole science, so they show an image just an unsightly ugly one (IMO), but I never bought into doing something that makes little sense when superior control of sharpness is actually possible.
 

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I've been very happy with my Noon 6x12 pinhole
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How are you guys getting such great pictures from freaking Holgas? Is it the scanning? I've only ever seen blurry, "artistic", dreamy, crappy photos from a Holga.
 
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How are you guys getting such great pictures from freaking Holgas? Is it the scanning? I've only ever seen blurry, "artistic", dreamy, crappy photos from a Holga.

This is just my opinion, but I think that many Holga, Diana, etc. users don't take the time to do the things needed for a decent image. I think the same users would take a bad image with a nice, expensive digital camera.

Others here have disagreed, but I think also that these type of cameras require EXTRA work and care to create good images. Knowing the limitations, working with or around them, making certain there aren't light leaks, using a meter, truly understanding the exposure triangle, etc, etc.

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