Positive pressure, impeller fans, and HEPA filtration.

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I recognize many other threads have been posted on APUG regarding these topics, but this slightly more specific...

Construction is soon to start on the new darkroom and I want to use a positive pressure system. I already have an extractor fan, but not the HEPA filtered impeller. What experiences have others had in sourcing a HEPA / Impeller combo whether DIY or ready-made?

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Dear Tom,

What is the source of your air? My darkroom is fed by a positive pressure fan drawing from a plenum chamber opening onto my courtyard in rural France.

Sorry not to be able to answer your question but I am interested to know what you perceive as the likely advantages of HEPA filtered air. I'm not saying you're wrong: I'm pleading genuine ignorance.

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Hello Roger,

Thanks for responding so quickly. The fans will be connected to the building exterior, and a semi-rural Norfolk location. The advantage I perceive of the HEPA filter is in reducing the amount of particulates etc. that get into the darkroom.

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Hello Roger,

Thanks for responding so quickly. The fans will be connected to the building exterior, and a semi-rural Norfolk location. The advantage I perceive of the HEPA filter is in reducing the amount of particulates etc. that get into the darkroom.

Tom.
Dear Tom,

I strongly doubt it would make any difference whatsoever. If I didn't have the plenum chamber (the gap between a disused door and the new interior wall of the darkroom), I would have considered simple (non-HEPA) filtration using a replaceable motor-car air filter (the ring from a 'pancake' type filter would be easy to adapt -- I considered one from a 3 litre Ford V6) but the vast majority of dust in a sealed darkroom is skin flakes, hair, clothing lint, clothing-borne dust and other personal debris.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. But after four years with my present darkroom and very few dust problems, I suspect you may be worrying more than you need ro.

Cheers,

Roger
 

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In my research I found that I could get the highest volume of air moving with squirrel cage fans. These are really efficient, moving an incredible amount of air. The drawback of these turns out to be significant noise. I decided the trade off wasn't worthwhile. I bought a Doran darkroom fan on ePay. I just waited for it to become available. It draws out to a basement window (removed the window, replaced with sheet of 3/4" plywood with a 6" hole and a flange for dryer vent). This fan is above the sink at one end, connected to the outside via a 6" flexible duct. At the other end of the sink is a HEPA filter made for furnace returns, in a factory-made frame for that size filter. Bought both at a furnace supply place for under $75.

I tested the fan with a piece of paper over the dark-vents. It really didn't seem to "suck" with the kind of force I wanted or expected. It would clear a room of fumes, but it seemed to take a while.

I called Doran and they told me to try removing some of the grille vents. I opened the fan up and discovered that there's really overkill on the baffles in their grille. Like, there were I think 4 layers of baffle. I was venting into a dark area, so I just removed half of them. The result was a significant increase in airflow, and the air flow is now sufficient to suck and hold a piece of paper against the grille. Scientific? No decidedly not, but to me it indicates fumes are going the right way.

My darkroom is in a naturally dusty environment. Outside the door of my darkroom is an oil burning furnace and a gas clothing dryer. This arrangement of fan and HEPA filter has resulted in the cleanest and most enjoyable darkroom I've ever had. I guess if I was working regularly with really dangerous chemicals I might consider a beefier ventilation system, but for me (working with PtPd, pyro, basic b/w printing chems) this was very successful.

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Do you have any recommendations for specific impellers / positive ventilators?

Tom.

Dear Tom,

'Fraid not. My impeller was sold as 'light tight' but isn't: in the previous darkroom I had a black baffle mounted on four little pillars on the feed side, in order to make it so. My extractor (lower cf/m, mounted at the other end of the darkroom) came from the nearest DIY store. I strongly suspect that as long as you can stand the noise, it don't matter much.

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I'm in a similar boat, with construction beginning soon on a new home with a wet darkroom. I live in an area where we worship the great freon god, so I'm thinking some type of filter over the A/C inlet. Also plan a vent over the sink to suck the vapors out. I'll have a revolving door which is not exactly an airflow stopper. Does anyone have any suggestions for minimizing dust with this arrangement? Bill Barber
 
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