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Guys, most of us out here are just baking cakes, which involves mixing ingredients and measuring time and temperature. I don't think about mathematics, physics or chemistry when I cook or when I photograph.
 

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Chemistry, physics, mathematics are philosophy. :smile: That's what one gets in each field a 'Doctorate of Philosophy.' A few schools offer a DSc but most give a PhD. How's dem Newtonian apples!
 
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I do not agree with this at all. I can do perfectly respectable chemistry with no consideration of quantum mechanics!

This whole argument is similar to saying that a dermatologist is part of gastroenterology and vice versa, when nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, they are both medical disciplines but they are quite different. One acknowledges the other and they know bits of each medical arena, but they are not the same nor is one part of the other. They are, at best, parts of the study of the body.

In a similar fashion, physics, chemistry and mathematics are specialty fields of basic science. It would be better said that physics is a subset of math.

I wonder how many of you have studied any science in depth?

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Dermatology and gastroenterology are disciplines inside medicine. In the same way medicine and chemistry are inside physics.

Math I see as simply the language we use to describe physics, chemistry, blah, blah, blah...
 

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i mean cooking is complete science/physics/chemistry and there are chefs that create stuff that is mind blowing ...
Like an albumen print or an egg tempera painting perhaps? Although film photography is rich with physics, chemistry, art and philosophy, to most people it's a highly applied branch of each. Take away people's film, photographic paper and cameras, and only the diehards would persevere and make their own lenses and materials. Most of us would buy a digital camera instead. Tichy owned some quality cameras but chose to make his own instead. I don't think he made his own film or paper.
 

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By your reasoning playing a musical instrument is strictly governed by the rules of physics. Is music therefore a branch of physics. You are stretching an analogy too far.

Given the nature of music, it is clearly all just maths at the top anyway...
 

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and physics is just applied mathematics....

Which is applied philosophy... (just joking)

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Chemistry is not Physics. Physics is not Chemistry. Explain your comment.
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The OP has not explained yet!

This seems fitting.
https://xkcd.com/435/

Computer sciences for me, with a strong background in physics and engineering.

Luckess, to test if you are a CS graduate, please complete the following phrase:

The most powerful programming language ever invented is __________________________.

If you answer "FORTRAN" you are a physicist.
If you answer "COBOL" you are an accountant.
If you answer "Java", you need a new job and therapy for PSTD.
On the other hand, if you are a "Real Computer Scientist", you would answer... ?

By your reasoning playing a musical instrument is strictly governed by the rules of physics. Is music therefore a branch of physics. You are stretching an analogy too far.

Music is created applying math and is performed using instruments that take advantage of the laws of physics.
 

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By your reasoning playing a musical instrument is strictly governed by the rules of physics. Is music therefore a branch of physics. You are stretching an analogy too far.
I don't think he's stretching the idea a bit.

The way instruments and sound itself works are the direct result their of physical properties. What we 'shape' the sound into is a different question, just as is shaping (composing) a photograph. We can artistically use the rules of physics to our advantage is any number of ways from simple chemistry (cooking a meal) to 'souping' our films to putting together a delicious sound.
 

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Which is applied philosophy... (just joking)


Luckess, to test if you are a CS graduate, please complete the following phrase:

The most powerful programming language ever invented is __________________________.

If you answer "FORTRAN" you are a physicist.
If you answer "COBOL" you are an accountant.
If you answer "Java", you need a new job and therapy for PSTD.
On the other hand, if you are a "Real Computer Scientist", you would answer... ?

- Maths.
Programming languages are just syntactic sugar over the math, and really should be chosen based on how well they conform to the problem at hand to be solved.

Computer Sciences are really just distilled general mathematics after all. We take all the bits that are actually useful and run off into our own corner to ask for research funding... A wonderful system really.
 

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I love xkcd and the joke is a clever one. But try to apply it like this: how is psychology related to mathematics at all?

Well, Mathematics is the basis of physics, which is the basis of chemistry, which directly controls all aspects of biology, which in turn influence and direct human psychology.

See? Its easy. Very basic and straightforward logic here, nothing weird or groundbreaking really going on. :tongue:
 

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I need hip high waders to get through all the muck in this thread.
 

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And the title
 

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The title was "Physics and Chemistry" not "Physics or Chemistry, Which Is Best?", which seems to be what this has devolved to.
No the title of the cartoon is "purity"
 

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Film cameras combine physics and chemistry. Digital cameras are pure physics. I think that is why I like film cameras, as it crosses the bridge between two areas of science? What do others think?
I care and agree; not to forget optics and mechanics.There is little cooler than film photography.
 

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Well, Mathematics is the basis of physics, which is the basis of chemistry, which directly controls all aspects of biology, which in turn influence and direct human psychology.

See? Its easy. Very basic and straightforward logic here, nothing weird or groundbreaking really going on. :tongue:

It works very well as a joke (and I like it), but not so much in practice.

In fact, Mathematics is just a way for us to rationalize and express some concepts, the most basic being quantities, lengths, amounts and the like.

I know there's number theory and all those really complex mathematical concepts, but they're all based on the same simple initial concepts.

So, I agree with most of what was said about Maths being a "language", rather than a science all by itself.

Now, I wouldn't say that Chemistry is totally separated from Physics. It is not. But, as PE noted, you can be a perfectly good chemist without advanced Physics knowledge.

Physics and Chemistry are distinct enough that they can be considered different sciences.
 

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Well, Mathematics is the basis of physics, which is the basis of chemistry, which directly controls all aspects of biology, which in turn influence and direct human psychology.

See? Its easy. Very basic and straightforward logic here, nothing weird or groundbreaking really going on. :tongue:

At last someone has mentioned "Biology" and while I don't believe all aspects of biology is chemical, if I am not misreading this, as physics has had some effect on evolution, but neither chemistry nor physics can explain how single cell life has evolved into trees, orchids, sunflowers, etc., all the while passing something on to the next generation that all the chemistry and all the physics can't explain, life. There is a possibility that someday all living things, including humans will be able to trace their linage back to the beginning of life. Of course DNA is chemical but no chemist nor biologist for that matter "invented" it. It has been there all along. It was discovered. But this has been an enjoyable read. Isn't it fun to read what is written when engineers argue? When I was in school we had a favorite saying:"all generalizations are wrong including the generalization that all generalizations are wrong"...........Regards!
 

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No the title of the cartoon is "purity"

Are we discussing over an XKCD cartoon?

I am a computer nerd and i do "grok" almosr all the (obscure) references on XKCD strips, but XKCD is a very, very, very lame strip. It just... tries to be smug all the time. .

I suspect xkcd is popular because the wanabee nerds use it as a flag to let everyone know they do know about the topics on XKCD strips ...

//end of rant

And this is what we get into. Math grads wanting to get smug over Physics grads wanting to get smug over Chemistry grads...

I'd rather learn from artists.
 
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- Maths.
Programming languages are just syntactic sugar over the math, and really should be chosen based on how well they conform to the problem at hand to be solved.

Computer Sciences are really just distilled general mathematics after all. We take all the bits that are actually useful and run off into our own corner to ask for research funding... A wonderful system really.

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Are we discussing over an XKCD cartoon?
Giggle, yes in that specific case.

I understand though, human conversation can be tougher to keep up with than computer code.
 
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