Physics and Chemistry

[cliveh]

and physics is just applied mathematics....

So in true Douglas Adams style, then mathematics could provide the answer to the universe and everything?

 

[Photo Engineer]

Please explain.

I think that the person who made the post I am answering should reply to me first.

PE

 

[markbarendt]

I think that the person who made the post I am answering should reply to me first.

PE

Ok.

Please explain.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Yes, I too am waiting for the OP's explanation.

 

[removed account4]

if this makes sense?

makes perfect sense

but isn't all art a symbiotic relationship between
the science and creativity ?

i mean cooking is complete science/physics/chemistry and there are chefs that create stuff that is mind blowing ...
and some people just make a fried egg ...
painting, sculpture &c its all the same thing-- creative - science....
not sure which one is perfect though

and i don't really care what came first chemsitry ( chicken ) or physics ( egg )

 

[Photo Engineer]

Ok.

Please explain.

DITTO!

Chemistry is not Physics. Physics is not Chemistry. Explain your comment.

Mine is that Chemistry is reactions at the atomic level and above, and Physics is at the atomic level and below. Go on from there please.

PE

 

[fdonadio]

The art master at school once put in my report "he tries hard despite a complete lack of any artistic talent".

That was really mean. Is that master still alive? I'm gonna beat the hell out of him.

 

[Alan Johnson]

Film cameras combine physics and chemistry. Digital cameras are pure physics. I think that is why I like film cameras, as it crosses the bridge between two areas of science? What do others think?

Most of the Journals , like the Journal of Photographic Science and Engineering , are still copyright so it is not easy to show how the bridge between two areas of science was crossed.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I am an engineer. I also became a physicist. I took inorganic chemistry undergraduate and organic chemistry in grad school. My physics is stronger than chemistry. All three fields are interrelated and at times the field of mathematics overlaps in parts. Mathematics, Engineering, Physics and Chemistry are very different fields and bare not relationship to the OP's hypothesis.

 

[markbarendt]

DITTO!

Chemistry is not Physics. Physics is not Chemistry. Explain your comment.

Mine is that Chemistry is reactions at the atomic level and above, and Physics is at the atomic level and below. Go on from there please.

PE

I see physics as the overall 'thing' that actually explains how all matter and energy and what not behaves. Physics explains not just the little quantum/atomic stuff but the big stuff like the orbit of earth around the sun and the sun within the galaxy and the galaxy within the universe.

I see no reason to separate out the stuff of middlin' size from the whole set, except to allow really sharp people like yourself to specialize on more manageable chunks of knowledge within that larger set.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

The macro universe, where Newtonian mechanics works, is very different from what occurs on the micro level where Newton's laws do not apply.

 

[railwayman3]

That was really mean. Is that master still alive? I'm gonna beat the hell out of him.

Sadly, he died a few years ago. But, strangely enough, I and several of my contemporaries, kept in touch with him for many years.....and, somehow, he managed to instill in me, without my realising at the time, a love of art and art history which has stayed with me. We had a genuine respect for him; a great character, an ex-army guy,not averse to occasionally beating knowledge into the kids with whatever implement was to hand (usually a ruler) when he felt it necessary.....but it worked !

 

[Nodda Duma]

DITTO!

Chemistry is not Physics. Physics is not Chemistry. Explain your comment.

Mine is that Chemistry is reactions at the atomic level and above, and Physics is at the atomic level and below. Go on from there please.

PE

Yup!

 

[Nodda Duma]

I am an engineer. I also became a physicist. I took inorganic chemistry undergraduate and organic chemistry in grad school. My physics is stronger than chemistry. All three fields are interrelated and at times the field of mathematics overlaps in parts. Mathematics, Engineering, Physics and Chemistry are very different fields and bare not relationship to the OP's hypothesis.

Yes!

(A wise man once said with a smirk that physicists are engineers unencumbered by the limitations of the real world, and that mathematicians are physicists unencumbered by the limitations of physics. They are all unencumbered by a social life).

 

[fdonadio]

Sadly, he died a few years ago. But, strangely enough, I and several of my contemporaries, kept in touch with him for many years.....and, somehow, he managed to instill in me, without my realising at the time, a love of art and art history which has stayed with me.

It's not strange at all. My chemistry teacher in high school was a bit like that: calling us "absolute imbeciles" when we didn't think enough before answering a question... or throwing a piece of chalk at us when we were not paying attention.

He was also a great guy and an outstanding teacher. Died a few years ago too.

 

[Luckless]

All interactions within the realm of chemistry are directly governed by the rules and concepts of physics. Therefore we can logically map Chemistry as a precisely focused subset of Physics as a whole.

Best wishes - Maths.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Chemistry is interested in the macro world starting at interactions of atoms and up, while physics is focused on the micro world inside of the atom. With chemistry, quantum effects are not a significant factor, and "normal" math applies, but physics use very strange and non-intuitive logic.

See some of the above posts from practitioners of either or both fields.

PE

 

[Luckless]

Well now I kind of want to try telling all my friends in Astrophysics that they're actually chemists, and see what happens...

 

[Photo Engineer]

I'm surprised to see you take this view, PE. Quite obviously from a practical perspective chemistry and physics are separate disciplines. However from a fundamental perspective chemistry is applied quantum mechanics. "Atoms and up" is renormalization of sorts.

I do not agree with this at all. I can do perfectly respectable chemistry with no consideration of quantum mechanics!

This whole argument is similar to saying that a dermatologist is part of gastroenterology and vice versa, when nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, they are both medical disciplines but they are quite different. One acknowledges the other and they know bits of each medical arena, but they are not the same nor is one part of the other. They are, at best, parts of the study of the body.

In a similar fashion, physics, chemistry and mathematics are specialty fields of basic science. It would be better said that physics is a subset of math.

I wonder how many of you have studied any science in depth?

PE

 

[Luckless]

This seems fitting.
https://xkcd.com/435/

Computer sciences for me, with a strong background in physics and engineering.

 

[Luckless]

I don't consider the gravitation constant when I throw a ball or shoot an arrow, or actively think of any physical calculation when I try to hit a target, but it is all still there, driving things in the background.

And that is part of what makes science kind of cool.

 

[faberryman]

Dare I ask if any of this back and forth makes the slightest bit of difference?

 

[Luckless]

Dare I ask if any of this back and forth makes the slightest bit of difference?

Probably not remotely any difference at all, but doing so would probably ruin all the fun of it.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

All interactions within the realm of chemistry are directly governed by the rules and concepts of physics. Therefore we can logically map Chemistry as a precisely focused subset of Physics as a whole.

Best wishes - Maths.

By your reasoning playing a musical instrument is strictly governed by the rules of physics. Is music therefore a branch of physics. You are stretching an analogy too far.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I'm surprised to see you take this view, PE. Quite obviously from a practical perspective chemistry and physics are separate disciplines. However from a fundamental perspective chemistry is applied quantum mechanics. "Atoms and up" is renormalization of sorts.

Chemistry does not involve quantum mechanics nor celestial mechanics.