Photokina News: Kodak Prof. Ektar 100 Film

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There is a long thread on this film, though I don't have the link since I'm posting from my phone. Suffice it to say that everyone is surprised and sufficiently excited about this new film, but I think all information so far has been only from the Kodak website.
 

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Yes, Elite Color was used as the product name for Ultra Color in some markets. All the old "Ultra Color" films (100, 200, and 400) will be discontinued under all product names.
 

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True dat. Even though I would like to see it in 120, I know there's likely not a big enough market. There are probably just enough shooters for 135 to be feasible, but not for anything else. Unfortunately we have nothing to blame but the fact that not enough people are buying it.

A couple of (almost rhetorical) musings about sales and marketing of new Ektar 100 compel me to speak up.

1) How is it that other manufacturers (Fuji, Ilford, etc.) are managing to merchandise versions of their product lines in non-135 formats without it destroying their bottom line? What are they doing (Fuji particularly) which makes them persistently able to reach the global market in ways which Kodak no longer does?

2) With regard to "boutique" formats (I say this semi-seriously to formats like 120, 4x5, etc.) and emulsions, centralizing merchandising to, say, only select online stores would eliminate the frequency of spoilage from staying on the shelves in thousands of shops. Reference case in point: manufacturers of high-tech equipment have for years offered online-only versions of select product lines unavailable in stores. The turnaround time for product "freshness" in that market is very high, and a workaround to offer a wider variety (of cosmetic or feature specialties) was only practical by centralizing the sales online and not offering them in brick-and-mortar shops.

3) Fuji is clearly doing something viable, if not right (on a much smaller scale, so is Ilford, but for this thought process, I'm only thinking of the "Big 2"). What is it, and perhaps more to the point, why?

4) I agree with another reader here that d*****l imaging is attracting new people to owning SLR cameras and knowing what film photography has known for years: better glass improves the image, but (something the digital folk don't necessarily connect with) so does emulsion size, type, etc. I am finding an increased curiosity by people wielding DSLRs when I walk around with my film camera (particularly the Pentax 645, because they aren't accustomed to the boxy shape). When I explain how and why I shoot film, they look genuinely intrigued (interestingly, a friend I was with yesterday insisted, "You must teach me how to use a film camera, because everything I see shot with film looks amazing," and I said I'd be thrilled to). I certainly don't expect this "reverse migration" to overturn what we already know about the imaging market, but what it does enable is a wider awareness, understanding, and appreciation from those unaware of the benefits which only emulsions seem to be able to offer (and digital might not). I do see some market stability in film because of this "unintended education". This is why I suspect the new Ektar 100 has a cautiously promising future. But it's also why I feel Ilford's b/w offerings and the Fujichrome line also have a continuing hopeful outlook.


Edited to add (not necessarily for revisionism): I think Kodak's on the right track here. What would be nice is to see a simplified, streamlined, user-friendly version of Kodak sales online executed in the format of the long-successful Apple Store for Apple computer products. Given the consumers and pro folk who buy Kodak products of any kind, I wonder what percentage of them buy from Kodak directly? Chances are one bought their Kodak product through a reseller. A well-remembered online store makes it less ambiguous to guess where one can quickly and consistently find a product.
 
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Thanks for the link. How silly of me to post a color film question in the color film section. :wink:

Anyway, after reading through the posts, it looks like no one has actually used the stuff yet. Lots of speculation based on the same info from the Kodak web site. I was hoping to hear about actual use rather than everyone debating on what the web site announcement really means. :smile:
 

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As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) it hasn't been released yet, hence no one has reports on usage.
 

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Correct, but there are always those select few who get to test it ahead of full product launch. There was a reference in the other thread of a photo lab that was part of the testing but I didn't see anything else. Hence the question.
 

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Iirc the results of this testing sessions will be presented at the photokina and people from the lab will also be there to take part in open discussions.
I am pretty sure you won't be able to see any image taken on the new Ektar earlier though.
 

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langedp,

Actually I don't understand why you are in such a hurry, but at Photokina doors open for the first time tomorrow morning at 10am...
 

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Threads merged.
 

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langedp,

Actually I don't understand why you are in such a hurry, but at Photokina doors open for the first time tomorrow morning at 10am...

What's there to understand? There are 12 pages (now that the threads are merged) of postings with people interested/excited about this new film. It seems reasonable to ask if anyone had actually used it yet. Back on page 9, epraus posted that his lab was used in the testing and that made me wonder who might have shot those rolls that his lab was processing. Sounds like Kodak is controlling pre-launch communications pretty tightly. Hope the film lives up to its billing.
 

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I expect the film to be released tomorrow (a few days from the start of this thread ...). If not, then of course one could wonder why not.
 

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When Kodak announces a product, you can be sure it is ready for the dealer's shelves.

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PE

My point exactly PE. Lots of people have used and abused this film at this late of a stage in its launch sequence. It's been tested to death. Either they're not talking or they're not on APUG! Can't wait to try some.
 

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They've probably been sworn to secrecy, but maybe they'll have another free film promotion, like they did with the new Portras when they came out.
 

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My point exactly PE. Lots of people have used and abused this film at this late of a stage in its launch sequence. It's been tested to death. Either they're not talking or they're not on APUG! Can't wait to try some.

They are usually professional photographers, editors of photo mags such as Popular Photography and Shutterbug and maybe some Nat.Geog. photogs.

They have usually signed NDAs that expire when the film is shown for the first time.

I've signed my own share of NDAs to know how that works! Usually it was for a product that Kodak engineers were testing for someone else, but we had one huge overarching NDA with Kodak. We used to take home roll after roll of film for personal testing. They were processed internally and we got the prints but they kept the negs for a long time sometimes for analysis.

I still have a few "black" rolls of film here. Experiments came in black casettes and a plain yellow box with numbers on them.

PE
 

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My German is very poor, but the Photokina web posting seems to say that this film is a derivative of the Vision 2 motion picture films. That implies 2 electron sensitizer technology, and the Kodak data sheet tells us it employs T-grain technology. But the data sheet is otherwise rather unimpressive. It isn't all that much sharper, and (regardless of the granularity measurements) the graininess impressions listed on the data sheet are not that much better than other color negative films. I frankly do not need a film that is extremely saturated. I got along well with 400UC, and even 100UC, but I thought those were even a bit too much. 400VC works well when I need saturation, and 160NC is near perfect for other situations. Too much saturation looks unnatural, and it can cause real problems if exposure is off. I hate Velvia for these reasons. It will be interesting to see how this film does in the camera, however, since actual use is often much different than the data sheets imply.

Another hopeful item is that Kodak usually quietly propagates improvements to other films in its line in fairly short order. We can probably look forward to still finer grain and greater sharpness in the Portra line before too long.
 

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Has anyone a clue as to when Ektar 100 is supposed to be made available? Can anyone, who's gotten to try the stuff, compare it with 100UC or 160VC? 100UC is one of my favorite color print films (for a variety of uses), and I'm hopeful that Ektar 100 will offer something worth the demise of the former.

Thank you.
 

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Has anyone a clue as to when Ektar 100 is supposed to be made available?
Thank you.
Buried back in the thread somewhere, but also on the Kodak web site under the page for the film.

This month, October 2008.

You can compare to the other films using tech info from the Kodak web site.

Lee
 

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Calumet also lists it as "call for availability". Looks like both places have it priced a bit lower than 100UC.

Lee
 

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Just got an email from pictureline.com listing it as instock! At $4.35 a roll too.
 
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