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Susan Voss who sometimes posts here uses PDN to make positive transparencies for polymer photogravure printing and has a blog at:Thank you the Jon Goodman site is fantastic. I'm going to try to use the RNP digital negative/positive method this week to create positives exactly as you've been doing. I also found an interesting book called "Copper Plate Photogravure: Demystifying The Process" at Amazon which has a great intro available online -- which I'll probably end up buying. I did not know that Photogravure was one of the first "archival" methods available for photographs when the world was still using salt and albumen. Also the methods of A La Poupe and Chine Coll open up a whole new range of possibilities for expression in the medium.
One of the things that I've really been wondering about this the whole "graining" process involved in creating the tone palette. Aquatinting with dust or sprays as opposed to using a screen. Then I've read a little bit about Stochastic dithering the image on the computer (essentially converting it to black and white PMT) and outputting that to film. Can reasonable results be achieved with this method using a digital inkjet positive?
~m
One of the claims made about the photo-polymer process is that it is non-toxic or much less so than photogravure. Jon Goodman would argue that this is not entirely true and that photogravure can be done in a safe and non-toxic manner.
Regards, David.
Anyone have a source for Toyobo Printight KM Plates? Currently I'm working with Riston (or a variant) but the KM plates looks like they work as good or better.
Hello there, just joined, first post and all that. I do a reasonable amount of classic etching, recently have been experimenting with Hydro-coat from Revere Graphics. The particular product I'm using is a zinc plate with a light-sensitive coating already in place. So workflow is - create positive, expose, develop, wash out, bite, print.
I've been working with this stuff for around three months off and on, trying to get an approximation of the delicate detail of photogravures. Not there yet, but I'm remaining positive. Particularly critical is positive creation as you have to provide detail (halftone, bitmap) in the shadows so as not to get 'open bite'.
Good/bad points? It's a ready made product which comes with a plastic backing to the plate and the coating in place; good quality piece of aluminium (at least mine is); no fumes etc until you get to the acid part. On the bad side, it's very expensive, and yes it needs to be bitten unlike the photo-polymers (as fas as I understand it).
I'm in the UK so info on suppliers isn't much use to you, but this is the site for Revere, and Google hydro-coat too
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If you want more detail, happy to oblige.
I'm mid-way through my first intaglio printing class. Mostly it has focussed on etching, burnishing, scratching et al. Me being me, I want to start printing photos at this point. Can someone summarize the pros/cons involved in using different plates and their methods (copper, polymer etc.) i.e. is one type of plate more durable than another. Also the pros and cons of different resist methods. Costs? Screening methods (i.e. aquatinting) Negative density ranges? Thx.
~m
Thank you for that post Reck. One of the things I'm interested in is the 'etch-through-to-copper riston-based methods aka intaglio-type etch.
What I'm thinking of trying tonight is laminating the Riston (Imagon) to the copper plate by first removing the bottom layer of cellophane. Then spray painting the top mylar layer to achieve an aquatint layer. I'm thinking I need a fairly heavy coat of spray paint (50%? 75%? 90%? per cent I have no idea what coverage I need). Then once that dries I'm going to expose my aquatint layer in the NuArc UV unit to build islands or lands as they're called. Then I'm going to remove the top mylar layer from the Riston with the aquatint and lay a digital positive on top making a positive-riston-copper plate sandwich and then shoot this again with UV. Then wash out with a 1% sodium carbonate developer wash. My question is I've read some people "thin" the riston first. Is this necessary. My other question is does the ferric chloride go through the riston-imagon the same way it might through gelatin for give varying etch depths?
~m
Laurence,
Are you making an aquatint "burn" to your plate? I think it's common to use an 85% black aquatint screen first. This would harden 15% "islands" in your plate's ocean of polymer leaving the other 85% to take the information from your contone image avoiding the open bite problem. Are you using an inkjet printer, lith or an imagesetter to make your positives? Can you high rez scan a sample out your results for comparison in grain.
~m
Reck, so with Riston type materials being "binary" does that mean that the aquatint provides the binary? If my aquatint is 50% that means I have 50% lands and 50% unexposed riston after the aquatint exposure. So when I use a positive transparent photo as art I can only manipulate the remaining 50% of the unexposed Riston, right? Can one use a contone positive with riston? Or should it be converted to line art (bitmap binary)? Thx
~m
Hi again, interesting discussion for me this, I'm soaking up stuff as quickly as I can.
I'm not using an aquatint layer because, at this point in the proceedings, I'm using Photoshop to bitmap the image. ATM that's at 400dpi and then output onto Folex Laser Film. I was getting open bite for a while until I figured everything was too dark to pick up the bitmap on exposure. I'm now outputting at 50% opacity and that's solved, well at least with that particular film.
The result is fairly coarse. I'm sure that's for a variety of reasons - paper type, the bitmapping process, time in the acid. I do want to persevere though as I like the idea of working with the zinc plate beyond the photo-etch. Guess I'm torn between the photo-gravure ideals and the artist-etch thing. I wish I knew whether this particular product (hydrocoat zinc) has the ability to get that much detail, I'm quite new to this so relying on instinct a lot.
Suggestions from you are welcome. I suppose my contribution can only be that I'm following a slightly different path so you have something to compare against.
Susan if you're out there I like your site too (if fact
I'm waiting for your next blog entry ;^)). I'm wondering where I can get the
type of plates (Toyobo Printight) in Canada or equivalent materials.
Anyone know whatever happened to Peter A. Lehman's Carbogel and
carbon-q methods? Did it move forward from it's early beginnings?
Another site I've found is Peter Miller's Kamprint.com which has a good how
to on the traditional gravure subject. I'll have to visit "the list" archives. I've
been "off" list for a few months while maybe it's time to go to the well again.
~m
How do you make the 80 per cent screen?
Inkjet or do you buy one?
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