That's inarguable. The transitory nature of personal electronic storage, its hardware and software, ports and plugs, drives and clouds, mean permanence is a best guess and unlikely to outlive its curator. I've made the point repeatedly and won't elaborate further because the situation is self evident. If there's no paper trail, there's no trail.Further, it can not be denied that unlike 1955, the majority of captured images are never put on paper, but rather reside in the "ether." When Aunt Jane dies tomorrow, no one will get a shoe box of photos, and doubtful anyone will know she has 12,000 images on a cloud somewhere, and no one knows that, or knows her password or cares to bother hunting the unseen latent digital treasure trove down.
True, which is why AI has become the tool of choice. Indeed "human sifting" of any kind would be utterly preposterous. but AI can, and is, doing this around the clock.I don't believe mature democracies have the motivation or manpower to sift through each individual photograph searching for malicious intent, though it's clear they can target individuals where they deem necessary.
Oh, I forgot one more important thing - - -economics. Employers now regular insist on having your social media passwords to view your social media posts before hiring you.
Have you ever been an employer?Oh, I forgot one more important thing - - -economics. Employers now regular insist on having your social media passwords to view your social media posts before hiring you. Even the Mom's and Pops who never fear anything about surveillance should have their eyes popping over that one.
Is there any photographic meaning to being somewhere, and seeing something with your own eyes, while making a photograph? — Definitely.
Suppose, it eventually leaks out that the drone wasn't flying in real time for YOU, but that a movie, previously shot, was playing and you were essentially just snapping stills from that movie. Is the image still "your photograph?" — No.
Is there any philosophical difference then between selecting a photograph and making a photograph? — Yes. The former is editing, the latter creating.
Is "snapping a still from a remote webcam" also photography? — No, editing again.
How about "ordering" a photograph through descriptors from a service that maintains billions of photographs in a catalog that you can claim as a one off? — As I said above, they're acting as an art director, not a photographer.
My citation would be a news source. This has been a hot topic for a couple years. It's all out there. For purposes of "forum discussions" I always assume people can do their own fact checking.Citation, please. Many, possibly most, employers may LOOK at a candidate's social media activity, but I've never heard of one asking for passwords.
Have you ever been an employer?
In particular, have you ever had your business affected by the outside-the-workplace, public actions of an employee?
To use your phrase, "It cannot be denied" that an employer has a reasonable interest in the public profile of their employees, particularly if they interact with the public on behalf of the employer.
What do you say would be a fair way for an employer to protect their reasonable interests? Not to mention the interests of their other employees.
I've been both an employee and an employer, both before and after the prevalence of the internet. I've always considered any action that I take in a public place or forum as something I should expect other people to become aware of.
I must have seen other news. I know employers looking at their employees social media has been discussed and is done. Requesting or requireing passwords... never saw that in the news and doubt that is a prevalent practice.My citation would be a news source. This has been a hot topic for a couple years. It's all out there. For purposes of "forum discussions" I always assume people can do their own fact checking.
My citation would be a news source. This has been a hot topic for a couple years. It's all out there. For purposes of "forum discussions" I always assume people can do their own fact checking.
And I found no evidence that employers are requiring passwords. So my fact checking exposes you statement as BS. Please (for once) skip the snotty replies and cite a source that employers are requiring PASSWORDS.
I give you this, because it only took all of 5 seconds to dig it out. beyond this, which substantiates my opinion that its happening, everyone should do their own research.I must have seen other news. I know employers looking at their employees social media has been discussed and is done. Requesting or requireing passwords... never saw that in the news and doubt that is a prevalent practice.
I am aware of employers requesting that content be deleted... but with the threat of termination or legal action for noncompliance. I also know of some that complained to the host site and had content deleted. But requesting/ demanding passwords or making changes themselves... I thing you neeed to verify what you think you saw.
Two points, one, human sifting would have to take place at some point. All software can do is look for things like facial recognition, nudity, flags, text. The nuance of human juxtapositions and their implications is beyond anything a machine can discern from an image. Two, although I accept the term artificial intelligence has entered the lexicon, it's a misnomer and likely to remain one permanently. Machines can mimic complex tasks but show no sign of accruing the consciousness required to be intelligent. Indeed, consciousness may not be localised to biology at all.True, which is why AI has become the tool of choice. Indeed "human sifting" of any kind would be utterly preposterous. but AI can, and is, doing this around the clock.
I give you this, because it only took all of 5 seconds to dig it out. beyond this, which substantiates my opinion that its happening, everyone should do their own research.
link: http://www.ncsl.org/research/teleco...er-access-to-social-media-passwords-2013.aspx
At the state of the art, AI can detect disease in people, and predict when they will die - just from photographs. It has progressed far, far beyond such old terms as "facial recognition."Two points, one, human sifting would have to take place at some point. All software can do is look for things like facial recognition, nudity, flags, text.
So would any of these be "photography":
Please explain why/why not.
- Images taken by a satellite
- Images taken by a surveillance aircraft where the crew controls when the photos are taken
- Images taken by a remote wildlife camera at regular intervals, with the composition and interval selected by the "photographer"
And I found no evidence that employers are requiring passwords. So my fact checking exposes you statement as BS. Please (for once) skip the snotty replies and cite a source that employers are requiring PASSWORDS.
On the "ethics" front, an interesting review of surveillance.
https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/ethics-of-surveillance/ethics.html
As expected, that doesn’t support your statement. But as you say, no skin off your nose.
That speaks only to legislation intended to protect existing rights from abuse. It does not speak to the alleged prevalence of such abuse. But thanks.I give you this, because it only took all of 5 seconds to dig it out. beyond this, which substantiates my opinion that its happening, everyone should do their own research.
link: http://www.ncsl.org/research/teleco...er-access-to-social-media-passwords-2013.aspx
Read the Constitution... they don’t have rights to what is not publicly accessible. They can ask but a demand is beyond the law. They can coerce by not offering employment but that too may be beyond the law.Given that many social media accounts are locked in terms of who can view the content (limited to friends, friends of friends, group members etc.) how would an employer view the content without either having the password or asking the employee to log into their account (privately) so that they could then browse the posts?
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