Photographic terminology and words you hate.

[E. von Hoegh]

The worst "hate" is too often misused to mean "despise"; a very good word that is falling out of use.
To hate takes far too much effort.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Giclee (Honestly, what is wrong with "archival pigment print"? They are pigmented inks, rather than dyes, anyhow).

Giclee is what is left on toilet paper after use.

 

[Tom1956]

I thought it actually became illegal in England some time ago to sell it in real newspaper?

With the way the media is today, "fishwrap" is the most appropriate term.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

I dislike the word upgrading as used on this site, when it applies to those changing to a larger format. It is not an upgrade, just different.

Not an upgrade.
Just a step-up. Or an up-scale. Or an up-size. Whatever...

 

[Steve Smith]

I thought it actually became illegal in England some time ago to sell it in real newspaper?

You can sell it with the outer layers as newspaper as long as the inner layers the food touches are plain paper. However, in the last thirty years I haven't seen it sold in anything but plain paper.

I think Steve is alluding to mushy peas.

They are expensive from the chip shop and you only get a small container so I usually buy a can from our local shop - which is only about sixty feet away from my house.


Steve.

 

[wiltw]

Giclee (Honestly, what is wrong with "archival pigment print"? They are pigmented inks, rather than dyes, anyhow).

I had a similar first reaction to the term giclee many years ago, but then I learned the origin was from French for 'sprayed' or 'jetted'...it really differentiates INKJET (not the dye vs. pigment) prints from those that are exposed optically onto conventional light sensitive paper and processed (the modern digital equivalent to enlarger/commercial print maker prints from negs).

 

[AgX]

...it really differentiates INKJET (not the dye vs. pigment) prints from those that are exposed optically onto conventional light sensitive paper and processed (the modern digital equivalent to enlarger/commercial print maker prints from negs).

Typically we use optical exposure for an exposure where a film/plate image is exposed simultaneously on paper and not a digital file pixelwise.

 

[Xmas]

I thought it actually became illegal in England some time ago to sell it in real newspaper?

The local fish and chip shop changed about '55 - think it was the news print ink rather than hygiene. They just changed to unprinted paper then. Now you seem to get it in packs still wrapped in paper for insulation. And then in a carrier bag plastic to destroy the environment.

Nostalgia sells.

 

[Steve Smith]

And then in a carrier bag plastic to destroy the environment.

Or an expanded polystyrene box.


Steve.

 

[benjiboy]

The local fish and chip shop changed about '55 - think it was the news print ink rather than hygiene. They just changed to unprinted paper then. Now you seem to get it in packs still wrapped in paper for insulation. And then in a carrier bag plastic to destroy the environment.

Nostalgia sells.

This is the latest way to eat your chips on the way home from the pub before you have a "Technicolour yawn"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Newsprint-C...d=1392565189&sr=8-28&keywords=newsprint+paper

 

[greenbank]

I shoot a gun and photograph with a camera.

Words mean what we want them to mean, what we think they mean, or what we would like them to mean. Language is fluid, and nobody (least of all me) owns any sort of controlling interest. We all have to do the best we can with what's available, and live with it - though nobody says we have to like it. Who here would object to the validity of the strange and (apparently) meaningless expression "shoot the breeze"?

"A shoot" was originally a collective activity (like "a picnic") wherein a group of shooters, beaters, loaders and dog-handlers went out for a day of shooting at game - probably in vehicles called "shooting brakes". [Incidentally, I first typed "hooting at game" - maybe I should have left it uncorrected. Hooting bakes, anyone?]

The term then transferred (via "shot" coming to mean "photograph taken") to the collective activity wherein a photographer (with models, stylists, assistants and so on) gathered for a session of photography, whether in a studio (with lights: a Hot) or on location (with flashing: a Hoot). Amateur photographers who don't have the stylists, assistants and so on can quite legitimately engage in or embark on "a shoot" all by themselves. It's still a hoot.

 

[AgX]

Now I have to look up "hoot"...

 

[Bill Burk]

"It's just a tool"...

Based on Dr. Demento's long-standing policy (which governs a large proportion of my life's decisions) to never criticise without suggesting something to take its place...

I would like everyone to say this instead...

Say "It's just provisions"...

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Words mean what we want them to mean, what we think they mean, or what we would like them to mean. Language is fluid, and nobody (least of all me) owns any sort of controlling interest. We all have to do the best we can with what's available, and live with it - though nobody says we have to like it. Who here would object to the validity of the strange and (apparently) meaningless expression "shoot the breeze"?

"A shoot" was originally a collective activity (like "a picnic") wherein a group of shooters, beaters, loaders and dog-handlers went out for a day of shooting at game - probably in vehicles called "shooting brakes". [Incidentally, I first typed "hooting at game" - maybe I should have left it uncorrected. Hooting bakes, anyone?]

The term then transferred (via "shot" coming to mean "photograph taken") to the collective activity wherein a photographer (with models, stylists, assistants and so on) gathered for a session of photography, whether in a studio (with lights: a Hot) or on location (with flashing: a Hoot). Amateur photographers who don't have the stylists, assistants and so on can quite legitimately engage in or embark on "a shoot" all by themselves. It's still a hoot.

The meaning of any communication is based on the perception of the recipient, period.
So it pays to use words which are concise, accurate, and unambiguous.
In the present moronic, ignorant, and politically overdriven climate surrounding firearms in this country, as a recreational shooter of targets, I am very careful to distinguish between my activities involving firearms and my activities involving photographic apparatus.

 

[snapguy]

Mankind has always separated themselves in tribes and sub-tribes and photographers are no different. One type of photog will use terms as a shorthand "in" way of speaking. Language has two functions -- to communicate, and to keep other from understanding what you are saying. Hence the development of High, Middle and Low English and German.
When big time photojournalists of a certain era (the 1960s and 1970s) wanted to compliment another photojournalist they would say "he's a shooter." Maybe they still do. And it is a free country so I don't think it's something to get all riled up about.
Yes, the terms you use are annoying but the ones I use are cool.
"Bokeh" really does mean "off in the head" in Japanese. But like everything else, the term has several meanings. When an Eskimo (Inuit) uses the term "cool" he means something different than when a Harlem musician says "cool." It's okay.

 

[AgX]

Language has two functions -- to communicate, and to keep other from understanding what you are saying. Hence the development of High, Middle and Low English and German.

High-, Middle- and Low-German are regional varieties of german language.

"High-German" is also differently, and more frequently, used as designation for a nationwide generally accepted form of German.

In neither case I see an attempt to veil anything. Though there are german languages made up with just that in mind.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Mankind has always separated themselves in tribes and sub-tribes and photographers are no different. One type of photog will use terms as a shorthand "in" way of speaking. Language has two functions -- to communicate, and to keep other from understanding what you are saying. Hence the development of High, Middle and Low English and German.
When big time photojournalists of a certain era (the 1960s and 1970s) wanted to compliment another photojournalist they would say "he's a shooter." Maybe they still do. And it is a free country so I don't think it's something to get all riled up about.
Yes, the terms you use are annoying but the ones I use are cool.
"Bokeh" really does mean "off in the head" in Japanese. But like everything else, the term has several meanings. When an Eskimo (Inuit) uses the term "cool" he means something different than when a Harlem musician says "cool." It's okay.

"Concise, accurate, and unambiguous" would pretty effectively exclude jargon of any sort. As for that 'b' word I have nothing to say, I like my out of focus areas to be out of focus. If the photograph is so weak that the only feature worth consideration is the lense's rendition of mush... :confused:

 

[Steve Smith]

Language has two functions -- to communicate, and to keep other from understanding what you are saying. Hence the development of High, Middle and Low English and German.

To make English unintelligible to the English, add a Scottish, Geordie or American accent!


Steve.

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

To make English unintelligible to the English, add a Scottish, Geordie or American accent!

Steve.

Sometimes I wonder what other people here sound like, what their accents are, and how a face-to-face conversation with them would be. I grew up in Sweden, and when we learned English in school we early on had to choose whether we were going to use British English or American English. I chose British English since it seemed more applicable, and I spoke that way well into my 20s. At age 26 I began speaking to more Americans, and just drifted into an American accent, which is easier to do while being a Minnesota resident.
If I could do it all over again, I'd like to have a Scottish accent. A mild one... It's music to my ears.

 

[benjiboy]

Some friends of my youngest son who are from Newcastle who have very strong regional accents, who I admit have some trouble understanding most of the time are a rock band who recently were touring the U.S. and they had great difficulty making themselves understood, and had to write things down to do so, they said they felt like Martians

 

[cliveh]

To make English unintelligible to the English, add a Scottish, Geordie or American accent!


Steve.

Actually in the last 15 years or so Scottish and Irish have become the most desirable accents for the English TV, film, media, ads etc. I think this all started with Ewan McGregor and trainspotting.

 

[Fixcinater]

I dislike the word "Bromoil."

 

[cliveh]

I dislike the word "Bromoil."

What do you suggest as an alternative word to describe this technique?

 

[Fixcinater]

What do you suggest as an alternative word to describe this technique?

After much deep though...sismoil.

 

[Steve Smith]

Sometimes I wonder what other people here sound like

All of us here in England sound jut like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins.

we early on had to choose whether we were going to use British English or American English. I chose British English

A good choice!


Steve.