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I was asking Janian. He's condemning folks who tell others that they are doing the wrong thing...but he's actually doing what he says not to do...self refuting position.
I was asking Janian. He's condemning folks who tell others that they are doing the wrong thing...but he's actually doing what he says not to do...self refuting position.It depends on what they are doing.
Do you think it's wrong that one person tell another person that they should stop doing what they are doing?
It very much depends on why you're doing it and how you're doing it. If you're doing it as gentle guidance - "maybe you should try something else, because your results are consistently failing to match your stated goals" that's one thing. But if it's to tell them to quit trying because their results aren't matching YOUR (that's the generic your, not you specifically) stated goals, that's something else.Do you think it's wrong that one person tell another person that they should stop doing what they are doing?
None of which was the subject of the OP's post.it depends what they are doing ... if it has to do with darkroom and camera experimentation, no i don't think it is my or anyone elses place to tell someone
to stop what they are doing, unless they are doing something dangerous, like mixing an acid with a cyanide darkroom product. or dumping toxic waste down the drain or
in their backyard, then yes i will tell them that what they are doing isn't very good .. but processing their film or exposing their negatives or making their prints in whatever way they want
and then showing others what they did, sounds fine to me ... personally i think there should be more of that ... its just photography... and as i said, it is too bad the
gatekeepers and self proclaimed watchdogs keep hassling people who want to expand their own experience. if the tables were turned and people who experimented
( alot or a little ) made the same harsh commentary &c it would be equally has lame.
Re-read the OP...that's not what he said was happening.It very much depends on why you're doing it and how you're doing it. If you're doing it as gentle guidance - "maybe you should try something else, because your results are consistently failing to match your stated goals" that's one thing. But if it's to tell them to quit trying because their results aren't matching YOUR (that's the generic your, not you specifically) stated goals, that's something else.
The discussion has moved on. I was responding to your comment about telling someone to stop doing what they're doing.Re-read the OP...that's not what he said was happening.
None of which was the subject of the OP's post.
He never said it's bad to experiment, that everyone must do the exact same thing and tow the line.
When I was young (and dinosaurs roamed the earth) this whole "interweb" thing did not exist. We had great photo magazines like the British Journal of Photography, Modern Photography and Popular Photography. And we had "gurus" that wrote monthly columns; folks like David Vestal and Cora Wright Kennedy, etc.
These folks and many others wrote monthly columns mostly detailing their own adventures in the darkroom. There were other mags and other writers but I noticed a trend, more and more folks writing to ask, not for advice, but rather for validation for whatever hair-brained half-cocked exposure or processing notion they had already conceived. If the columnist, based on "lo their many years doing something the right way" told the newcomer it won't work, the newbie would start an argument. Later in my timeline the columnists started suggesting an experimental method the newcomer could use to test his idea in the laboratory/darkroom and would again get ignored.
00PS!I don't think anyone has said that one should not experiment. It's a manufactured argument.
I'm just throwing this out here to see if others feel this way, too.
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I guess what I'm saying is that these NOOBS aren't asking for advice, are not seeking the right way to do things, they are just bragging about their way of doing it and seeking validation. What's your take? I don't really know how to parse this as a poll, but if someone else would create one, I'll participate.
It seems we are all here for validation.
I am not here for validation. I am here to learn new things and to help others when I can.
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