Photo careers in the 21st century?

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jnantz said:
you mean they were photographers? you said adding and removing objects was not photography?
make up your mind. retouching has been part of mainstream photography since the beginning.
you are too much.
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You missed the target again. The point is removing and adding MAJOR OBJECTS OR ELEMENTS in a photograph are outside of photography. Your logic supposes that if a nineteenth century photographer had killed his father or mother, then ipso facto all photographers should be allowed to kill their mothers and or fathers. Do what you want but hang your head knowing that what you do is not in mainstream photograph. Please do not take this post to give you license to commit matricide nor patricide.
 

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Some people never get it. Might as well put em on my Ignore list.
 

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Every time I think you have reached the end of your assery, that you can't possibly become more of an ass, you surprise me, and find a new level. All the evidence points to you not being a photographer at all, just a fondler of Hasselblads. You never post images, just drivel in your trolling of threads.

What a clown...
 

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This is nothing. Go back in time and read the rules made by the pictorialists and their debates. P.H. Emerson considered spotting out a small annoying bit of glare in one of his platinum prints perfectly acceptable, but considered dodging or burning outright immoral; they called it "sundowning" back then, because window light was used for the contact exposures. In portions of this long thread I have myself made allusions to potentially illegal activity, but as defined by the FBI and certain State art fraud laws in codified fashion. Taste is a different angle. I can't stand eating eggplant or okra either, but does that make me narrow-minded ?

Now back to the mountains. The Park system has actually become worried about a potential decline in public interest or publicly-backed protection due to the recent culture of faux reality. So they're experimenting that with inviting kids and other folks to come to the parks, using all their silly built-in camera and phone apps, and then show the result. But the interesting thing is that, once these kids start really start walking and looking around, they soon forget their digital addiction and start really enjoying the outdoors. Nothing faux can substitute for the real deal. No, there are no rules, but why try to guild the lily, or replace it with plastic flowers? But apparently some don't even know the difference, because they haven't spent the quality time to actually look. Bringing stereotypes into nature and then beating the shot to death to match that kitchy stereotype might be marketable to a certain audience, but it's otherwise pathetic.
 

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BradS said:
Is photography a viable career path today?

if so, in what areas of specialization?

It appears that weddings, advertising and glamour are still viable areas for example.
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I think these days as much as ever the person making the photographs has to be versatile and flexible, even more so than 10 or 30 or 50 years ago. They have be versed not only in photography but digital video, because that is how things are being advertised these days, and people pick a still from the stream. People also have to have lots of followers on social media platforms. It wasn't too long ago ( a year or 2? ) that nike(?) wouldn't hire someone for some promotional campaign if they didn't have at least 100,000 followers on IG and they would have to post things in their feed about the job.
I've been looking at a storefront lately and might go back to my roots and just have a portrait studio, a walk-in thing no bells and whistles, and a rack for the prints to expose and process in the sun after the negatives are made. It will be the antithesis of the rat race.
 

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Sirius Glass,

If you are going to accuse people of not being a photographer, you should be prepared to show evidence that you are one yourself.

I'll put my cards on the table. The link below is to my 'Media' page.

The images are scans of work prints from about 15 years ago, before Life took me on some tangents away from photography. They look like contact prints (clear edge of 4x5's are printed) but are enlargements using a DIY pin registered glass negative carrier for sharp and unsharp masking techniques. They are also not my best, or even close to fine prints, just the ones which I was working on at the time while learning masking techniques.

They were my first scans from an old computer and scanner (both long gone) before I ever knew about calibrating a computer screen, so are of pretty wretched quality. Despite that, they are typical of the work I was doing back in 2006 and are good enough for this debate.

https://www.photrio.com/forum/members/murrayminchin.4262/ (then click on Media)

I've shown mine...let's see yours.
 
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I have considered the source and handled appropriately.
 

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The courts and the constitution need not weigh in. This is just a fact of life in the real world.
 

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Sirius Glass said:
This is just a fact of life in the real world.
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Well, the real world of photography contains a lot of stock photographers, now. And every one of them raced their asses off over the last year, adding white, blue, and black masks to the faces of the people in their pictures. And, no, that was not done by the stock company (Getty, Shutterstock, for instance) but by the photographer or someone working for the photographer of the particular image. Still sells as a photo, not some abomination.
 

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MurrayMinchin said:
If you are going to accuse people of not being a photographer, you should be prepared to show evidence that you are one yourself.
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That's been tried. They failed miserably, always have some sort of excuse .. whatever. its always the people that complain the loudest have very little to say.
 

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jnantz said:
That's been tried. They failed miserably, always have some sort of excuse...
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Really? That's just weird. Maybe this time Sirius Glass will post some photos.

This is a photography forum after all, not a gallerists or art theorists forum, where ultimately we let our photographs do the speaking for us.
 
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I suppose it depends some what on what peanut butter you use but, I think it is easier to spread the peanut butter first and then layer the jelly on top.


 

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MurrayMinchin said:
This is a photography forum after all, not a gallerists or art theorists forum, where ultimately we let our photographs do the speaking for us.
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To be fair, this is in the Ethics and Philosophy forum, so somewhat a theorist forum. And you don't have to be a photographer to write or talk about photography.
 

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BradS said:
I suppose it depends some what on what peanut butter you use but, I think it is easier to spread the peanut butter first and then layer the jelly on top.
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I like to put a scoop of PB on one piece of bread, and a scoop of jelly on the other, and then mash the pieces together to see what you get.
 
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ChristopherCoy said:
I like to put a scoop of PB on one piece of bread, and a scoop of jelly on the other, and then mash the pieces together to see what you get.
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I sometimes do something like that too.....but lately, I've been feeling like I need more peanut butter...so,ended up putting peanut butter on both slices and topping both off with a little jelly...trick is to not get any peanut butter in the jelly jar!
 

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BradS said:
I suppose it depends some what on what peanut butter you use but, I think it is easier to spread the peanut butter first and then layer the jelly on top.


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obviously you aren't a real photographer you took a picture of your lunch..
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so,ended up putting peanut butter on both slices and topping both off with a little jelly
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and you topped it off? you're living dangerously
 

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jnantz said:
obviously you aren't a real photographer you took a picture of your lunch..
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He also didn't include the table, floor, walls, house, town, country, world in the photo. I think he purposely cut them out, actually. At the very least, for it to be a photo, it should have the knife. The knife would say so much.
 
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eeeek! alright!
I admit it...
I cropped! I cropped!
and I got caught.
I feel so...
 
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