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So true

But if a photographer or any artist continues to stick to a style/rut for the sake of sales or ego he will stagnate and be unhappy because talent has to grow or it dies.

So true. But your style of photography just like anything in life, for growth, there must be constant work. There's no growth without hard work and pain. A person who is afraid of pain and hard won't grow. You can't grow as a person by always being safe and seeking contant praise.
 
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Thomas- I think some people here are saying that style isn't WHAT you photograph but rather HOW. For example, you prefer shooting hand-held, up close, with a wide-angle point of view, usually from below looking up. Shooting that way doesn't work for everything all the time. And the way you see the world at age 21 is not the way you see it at 41 or at 61, and if you're still shooting with the 21 year old perspective at 61, your photographic perspective is out of sync with your life perspective.

Amazing how put in other words the light bulb moment comes. I see what you mean. To me, how I shoot is inextricably linked to what I shoot, though. So I guess I'm a chameleon :smile:
It is true, that as I have aged I have also changed a bit about how I print, tonality wise. Someone mentioned Ansel Adams in this regard, and I have read that too, that he changed how he printed over the years, at one point bemoaning how dark his prints were once...
 

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So true. But your style of photography just like anything in life, for growth, there must be constant work. There's no growth without hard work and pain. A person who is afraid of pain and hard won't grow. You can't grow as a person by always being safe and seeking contant praise.

Photography isn't work. It's fun.

Saying that photography is work is like saying sex is work.

If it is you're doing it wrong.
 
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It depends on what kind of business you're in. I don't think porn stars consider sex fun anymore :wink:

I don't mean photography should be drudgery, but you must constantly put effort in perfecting your art.
 
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I don't understand the posts here about people and their project fetish and how that defines style. A project is a project, a style is a look. You can have the same look by photographing barns as you can photographing trains, or people or mountains. Its how your work looks. Not the subject matter.

Your projects are merely a period of what you shoot and when you are done you move on. They don't necessarily define the style you have.

As I've said, a style is a marketing tool to sell people what they are used to. But as a photographer you evolve onto something else, even if you continue to produce some work for your style groupies.

But if a photographer or any artist continues to stick to a style/rut for the sake of sales or ego he will stagnate and be unhappy because talent has to grow or it dies.

If you are a musician and all you do is play the same songs over and over instead of evolving you become a quaint novelty and artistically wither away. You may get rich but you'll be unhappy artistically.

Well, presumably one would be developing projects with the same personality traits, core values, and decisions that one would take pictures. Ones style would shine through in everything that we do.

Agree wholeheartedly that we have to get outside of our comfort zone, realm of normalcy, and push boundaries in order to not stagnate. Absolutely. The original question was whether 'style' prevents us from taking certain pictures, and I guess in the context of applying our personality and values to what we do, our intellect would choose for us what to take pictures of. So in essence we are always editing, consciously or not.
 

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The original question was whether 'style' prevents us from taking certain pictures, ....

How could style "prevent" us from taking anything. We may not particularly like certain subject matter, but prevent us... ??

"I'm sorry I can't photograph that because my style won't allow me to take pictures of people. You see I'm a mountain photographer.""

Seems kinda silly.
 
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How could style "prevent" us from taking anything. We may not particularly like certain subject matter, but prevent us... ??

"I'm sorry I can't photograph that because my style won't allow me to take pictures of people. You see I'm a mountain photographer.""

Seems kinda silly.

Subconsciously. We don't think about it. There is an internal editing process always going on. It never stops. If something doesn't move you, you don't take a picture, right? What is style? The cumulative knowledge, intellect, experience, and values that make you up as a human. So, decisions you make, consciously or subconsciously, is linked to your style. How else could you have a style, if there wasn't an intellect there to choose for you what to photograph and what to not photograph, and how? Call it silly if you want. I don't care. I'm just trying to help answer a question.
And would you stop pushing my buttons, please? It's getting pretty old.
 

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Subconsciously. We don't think about it. There is an internal editing process always going on. It never stops. If something doesn't move you, you don't take a picture, right? What is style? The cumulative knowledge, intellect, experience, and values that make you up as a human. So, decisions you make, consciously or subconsciously, is linked to your style. How else could you have a style, if there wasn't an intellect there to choose for you what to photograph and what to not photograph, and how?
Well said, Thomas.
I'd also add that clinging to a self-perceived "style" is kinda silly., and can limit artistic growth.
 

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Subconsciously. We don't think about it. There is an internal editing process always going on. It never stops. If something doesn't move you, you don't take a picture, right? What is style? The cumulative knowledge, intellect, experience, and values that make you up as a human. So, decisions you make, consciously or subconsciously, is linked to your style. How else could you have a style, if there wasn't an intellect there to choose for you what to photograph and what to not photograph, and how? Call it silly if you want. I don't care. I'm just trying to help answer a question.
And would you stop pushing my buttons, please? It's getting pretty old.

As I said originally style is a marketing tool. Lets say I like Ansel Adams work in Yosemite. I can go and stick my tripod in his holes and copy his style and make a bunch of money. This is not necessarily an innate part of me, it's me copying someone else to make money. It doesn't reflect anything about me other than the fact that I seized upon a moneymaking scheme. So in fact it wasn't subconscious at all, I thought about it and decided to create/copy a style.

Let say we started out in photography and something we did early on was accepted and liked and bought by people. So that is the style we decided to make money on. However between making money on this work, we photographed a bunch of other things and our style evolved but was not commercially accepted. So now what is our style. The old work you continue to do that sells or the new you that doesn't sell.

So the word style is too inconclusive to have any real meaning here.

That's why I say it's a marketing term that an artist only uses for marketing, but should never float around in his head when he's shooting. He'll end up in a rut.
 
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I don't think you two are in disagreement. You both seem to think (and I'd agree) that "style" evolves.
 

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I think my "style" is more about how I see things and what resonates with me than what others would label me with.

But that is because I'm not out there marketing my work.

I have however had people identify my prints among many others, based only on their previous experience with my photographs.

And I have no doubt that how I see things greatly affects my choices on what I photograph.
 
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So the word style is too inconclusive to have any real meaning here.

Agree with that. Style isn't a good word, but I ended up using it to try to stay within the context of the original question.

Your notion regarding marketing tool / style, etc - I find that to be true also, but I don't have much experience with it. My own experience is such that I make art for myself. While I love sharing and discussing the work, my goal isn't really to sell it or make a name for myself. I only need to satisfy myself, and that may place me in less than common situation compared to many others, since I don't need to worry myself with what others think. I just do what I feel like I should be doing to have fun and to complete the goals that I set for myself. It's also a matter of satisfaction to be able to improve what I already do, or get into doing new things and master them.

I think we can agree that there are two ways one can think of it, possibly more: selling work and being a commercially successful photographer, or basically focusing only on the content to satisfy noone but ourselves. I'm sure there are those who can do both at the same time, and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with trying to make money either. We all have to pay our bills.
For me, though, I wouldn't enjoy trying to figure out what everybody else likes, in order to sell my work. That would be a burden that would deprive me of the enjoyment I get from photographing. I have tried selling work in the past, with modest success, but it wasn't enjoyable. So I stopped before I killed one of the things I'm most passionate about. I'm sure there are others just like me. I don't know your history and what role photography played in your life, blansky, but it seems like you have a good grasp on both sides of things.
 

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Agree with that. Style isn't a good word, but I ended up using it to try to stay within the context of the original question.

Your notion regarding marketing tool / style, etc - I find that to be true also, but I don't have much experience with it. My own experience is such that I make art for myself. While I love sharing and discussing the work, my goal isn't really to sell it or make a name for myself. I only need to satisfy myself, and that may place me in less than common situation compared to many others, since I don't need to worry myself with what others think. I just do what I feel like I should be doing to have fun and to complete the goals that I set for myself. It's also a matter of satisfaction to be able to improve what I already do, or get into doing new things and master them.

I think we can agree that there are two ways one can think of it, possibly more: selling work and being a commercially successful photographer, or basically focusing only on the content to satisfy noone but ourselves. I'm sure there are those who can do both at the same time, and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with trying to make money either. We all have to pay our bills.
For me, though, I wouldn't enjoy trying to figure out what everybody else likes, in order to sell my work. That would be a burden that would deprive me of the enjoyment I get from photographing. I have tried selling work in the past, with modest success, but it wasn't enjoyable. So I stopped before I killed one of the things I'm most passionate about. I'm sure there are others just like me. I don't know your history and what role photography played in your life, blansky, but it seems like you have a good grasp on both sides of things.

That's why I came to the conclusion that "style" (as often used) is a marketing term. To sell anything requires being/living/selling in the moment. The work is in front of a potential customer, it needs to be defined, it needs cachet, salesmanship and a market/sale is created.

An artist on the other hand his "style" is as you defined it. A sum total of himself put into what he's photographing and sometimes that changes day to day, or with his moods and it's a fluid ongoing organic thing that is not defined by time. It and he are both evolving.

As soon as he/she starts to use his press/sales pitch as a definition of himself which is an in the moment, time defined thing, he starts to be stuck as that definition, and he will stagnate.

Selling and creating are two very different things.

If you've ever seen an actor and director/producer doing press, selling a movie you can see this dynamic in play. The movie comes out this weekend. The director/producer has been working on it constantly for over a years and just finished wrapping it up a week ago. The actor on the other hand, shot the thing, up to a year ago. He's moved on long ago. He is no longer the same person. The director is still in the moment. The actor has evolved. (or devolved as actors tend to do, but he's no longer in the same time frame.)

He is often sort of disengaged but trying hard to create excitement non the less.

Bottom line, seller, director/producer is living in his present selling the movie but the artist has to revert to the past to sell it. He is selling something that he has moved on from.

If a photographer uses his selling style as his shooting style he will be living in the past. He will be limiting himself from evolving.

And as I said before if his selling style makes lots of money, then keep doing it but still follow his heart when he is shooting new material.
 
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For some time bothering me question whether the personal style of photography can be a limiting factor.Sometimes you don't photograph because of moral or ethical principles and that is OK.Do you sometimes not record a shot because it does not fit your style?What would you choose:a good photograph that doesn't fit your style or not to take photo (assuming that will be published)?

I don't sell my work, so maybe my answer won't make any sense.
My "personal style" doesn't limit my photography, it defines it.
 

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John-

I'd disagree that you read it correctly. That's an incredibly arrogant thing to say, because the question doesn't define 'style' with any degree of precision.

It alludes to marketing/selling images. In that context, being known for a 'style' is generally a good thing (see Blansky's comment), so long as you don't get so stuck in it you become "the tree guy" (or "the colored gels painting-with-light guy" or "the pink bunny rabbit somewhere in the photo guy"). Which as Blansky pointed out, is just a marketing gimmick anyway. Defined your way, it's impossible to NOT photograph in your 'style', so there was no purpose to the question. Every photo is taken in your own 'style' - I don't think you can take a photo in someone else's style. You can certainly imitate others' techniques, but you can't stop seeing with your own eyes.

I took my cue in my original answer from the comment about not taking a photo for moral or ethical reasons - i.e. the proverbial "I saw this homeless guy lying in a pool of his own vomit, and it would have been a powerful statement image about the social decline of America today, but I didn't take it because it would be exploitative". But the follow-up I read as something akin to: you're out documenting a protest march and see a really cool antique motorcycle that could make it on the cover of Biker magazine. Do you take the photo of the bike?

Ultimately the answer to that is - it's up to you. But I wouldn't put it in any kind of ethical/moral context. 'Style' doesn't have morality.



arrogant ?
well, if it is arrogant to suggest that
style has not much to do with subject matter
and more to do with the person behind the camera
well, that's my take on it, i guess im arrogant.

i am well aware of what style is scott
and while it is how someone markets themselves ( or tries to at least be known for "something different" )
it doesn't have to be defined by project unless you want to put yourself in a pigeonhole.
but to market yourself, you want to be in a pigeonhole, so it is a catch22

no "style" ?
even people copying other people's work eventually leaves the work he or she is copying,
and finds their own way of seeing it and expressing what they are seeing.


What would you choose:a good photograph that doesn't fit your style or not to take photo (assuming that will be published)?

if i only had a small amount of film, and i didn't want to "waste it on a photograph"
i wouldn't expose the film .. but i rarely see something that isn't worth the piece of film.
time is fleeting, if you see something that interests you photograph it, life's too short to not photograph something
because it doesn't fit with a current project, don't be stingy.

to add onto scott's vintage motorcycle lead.
i have been sent on assignment to photograph an event. and an event can be defined by the people that show up,
the setting, as well as other things. photographing a vintage bike has everything to do with an event, it has to do
with the people at the event, not just the riot, burrning things in effigy &c. photograph the bike, don't pass it up, and submit it along with
the portraits, and mess of people, the riot and the after party.
too many people stand too close to their subject. stand back a few feet and see what is around you
it all has to do with the "event", don't limit yourself and open your eyes WIDE.

and if it is a satan's helpers convention, and you didn't get the camera confiscated by one of satan's helpers
who knows they might want to have a transparency made on velum so they can get a tatoo of the bike, where the sundon't shine.
 
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Style can be defined as has been said in the marketing/commercial sense, but if we are talking about artistic style then that is something that evolves without a label. Others may label a particular artist with a specific style, but the artist will probably not understand such a concept as it is intuitive within their MO. Hope this doesn’t sound that I’m preaching.
 
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