martin@jangowski.de on 10/31/2004 said:I'm currently testing a similar formula (5g Metol, 100g Sulfite, 33g NaCl, 1g Boric acid to 1l solution). First tests with APX100 (11:00min 1+3, 24deg, rotation) gave an CI of 0.64, excellent sharpness and the finest grain I ever had with APX100. I can't compare with Microdol-X, I never tried the stuff. Speed is about 40 ASA, I rate the APX100 64 ASA with D76H 1+1 with a similar CI.
Martin
Tom Hoskinson said:According to the Iford MSDS for Perceptol:
PERCEPTOL DEVELOPER, Part A contains
Methyl p-amino-phenol Sulfite (Metol)
PERCEPTOL DEVELOPER, Part B contains:
Sodium Sulfite
Sodium Chloride
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Thus, it is like D-23 plus Sodium Chloride and Sodium Tripolyphosphate.
Take a look in the APUG Chemistry Recipes section for D-23 and Microdol-X substitute recipes.
Perhaps this makes interesting reading as it was published sometime around the inroduction of Perceptol:Tom Hoskinson said:According to the Iford MSDS for Perceptol:
PERCEPTOL DEVELOPER, Part A contains
Methyl p-amino-phenol Sulfite (Metol)
PERCEPTOL DEVELOPER, Part B contains:
Sodium Sulfite
Sodium Chloride
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Thus, it is like D-23 plus Sodium Chloride and Sodium Tripolyphosphate.
Take a look in the APUG Chemistry Recipes section for D-23 and Microdol-X substitute recipes.
aldevo said:Perhaps...
And potentially a bunch of stuff each of which represents < 1.0% of the bulk mass of Perceptol and therefore isn't required to appear on the MSDS...
MSDS's are a horrifically unreliable source if you are trying to get an exahustive list of the chemical constituents of a product. For example, most Phenidone-Hydroquinone developers do not list Phenidone derivatives on the MSDS because it is present in such small quantities that it is not required to be listed.
Tom Hoskinson said:In my experience, the MSDS of every Phenidone-Hydroquinone developer I've looked at does list the Phenidone and/or Phenidone derivatives. If you have a counterexample, please post it.
Ryuji said:... developers of very low pH ...
Ryuji said:...Back to the original question, the MSDS for Perceptol quoted earlier is most likely one from old literature (1990s). More recent MSDS indicates bromide, not chloride as a fine grain agent...
The new package of Perceptol I just received lists Sodium ChlorideRyuji said:Fujifilm does not list ingredients less than 1% of the total weight. Fujidol E and Super Prodol most likely contain phenidone or its derivative but their MSDS do not list any.
Back to the original question, the MSDS for Perceptol quoted earlier is most likely one from old literature (1990s). More recent MSDS indicates bromide, not chloride as a fine grain agent.
I personally think that developers like Perceptol and Microdol-X have little overall advantage over phenidone-ascorbate developers of very low pH, which are capable of very fine grain with 80g/L of sulfite without any loss of speed.
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