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Exactly. Throw some improved autofocus on there and a date print on the back and you'll sell them by the truckload.
This is what I'm thinking too. Maybe something like an updated UC-1/Espio Mini?
This is what I'm thinking too. Maybe something like an updated UC-1/Espio Mini?
Yeah the Olympus Stylus/Mju range are fetching big money on the used market. My local camera shop had a few NOS examples in 2018 that they found in the basement when stock taking and they flew off the shelves in days. Then word got around and they had loads of enquiries about whether any were still available.
I've got two humble Mju 1 cameras and I can see the attraction. I was given them 10 years ago when they weren't considered special. But for a beginner, even for someone with experience, they deliver very high quality images.
But it's not just those models....Almost any late 80s or 90s P&S 35mm camera that's working is prized right now. They're simple to use, usually autofocus rather than fixed focus, most deliver good photos and yet most certainly do not look like digital cameras. Then after using those, generally people who want to get more serious want a film SLR.
What Pentax needs to do is get its new film cameras in the hands of some tiktok stars.
I'm getting so much joy from seeing Deleted Deleted Deleted.
I have an MJU 1 and love it. Issue is, it missed focus these days more times than not. It's not worth using anymore. I really like the simplicity and form factor of the camera. Moreso than the second version. If Pentax put out a clamshell simple fixed focal point and shoot it would sell like hotcakes.
So Huss, do you dance for the cameras?
Why is that?
Anyhow a PnS with AF is a no-brainer.
Fixed focus, unless they are going super wide is never going to fly in this day and age.
Specs should probably be in the ballpark of:
- f2 normal lens or lower. People have gotten used to low light shooting whenever they want without flash.
An f2 with 400 speed film should be able to squeeze through a useable shutter speed in even a living room.
- Infrared AF.
- The size of a Mju II or a little bigger.
- Build in bounce capable flash to make flash actually usable and good looking. No auto flash FFS!
- Freely adjustable ISO.
- Manual mode.
Nice to have:
- Build in simu-flashing in film gate. Could be marketed as SimuBoost ™ or similar.
- Extended data back also for between frames data of whatever.
- Filter slot with build in compensation.
Runs of AA or AAA batteries.
Why is that?
Anyhow a PnS with AF is a no-brainer.
Fixed focus, unless they are going super wide is never going to fly in this day and age.
Specs should probably be in the ballpark of:
- f2 normal lens or lower. People have gotten used to low light shooting whenever they want without flash.
An f2 with 400 speed film should be able to squeeze through a useable shutter speed in even a living room.
- Infrared AF.
- The size of a Mju II or a little bigger.
- Build in bounce capable flash to make flash actually usable and good looking. No auto flash FFS!
- Freely adjustable ISO.
- Manual mode.
Nice to have:
- Build in simu-flashing in film gate. Could be marketed as SimuBoost ™ or similar.
- Extended data back also for between frames data of whatever.
- Filter slot with build in compensation.
Runs of AA or AAA batteries.
Fixed focal not focus. As in, I don't want nor need a 38-72 point and shoot. Nor do I think do most people.
I think the camera can be a bit larger than the MJU series, look at the Nikon One.Touch and how they've rocketed in price.
Bounceable flash? Kids dig the straight on look. ISO? Most kids know how to defeat it these days anyhow. No autoflash I agree with.
What is simu-flash?
The reason people buy P&S cameras instead of slrs is to avoid all those things.
Kids don’t know anything but the straight look.
They think that’s what flash is.
They could still have it though.
Would be pretty simple to do a swivel-able tiny flash head.
The difference between bounce flash and direct is like the difference between a slap in the face and a caressing stroke on the chin.
You get a stark black background and flat harsh lighting, blowing any details that gets in between the optimal distance.
How do you defeat ISO setting on a point and shoot?
Simu-flashing is simultaneous flashing. Same as pre-flashing used for decades to give a real speed increase when underexposing and push processing.
On don’t at the moment of capture and therefor more effective.
You still didn’t answer why you like to see deleted posts?
A swivel flash is just another expense and a failure point. It's not done on any of the super popular P&S now so why mess with it? Defeating the DX code is as simple as some tape and scissors. I do it all the time. Simiflashing, interesting but try to explain that to someone who just wants to load up and shoot. Won't mean anything. It's not much of a sales point. Do any camera do this natively?
As for the delete. Plain old schadenfreude with a dose of satisfaction that someone is trying to derail the conversation and getting slapped down most likely.
Now, yes. I'd love all these features on a point and shoot camera. Very nice. I'd also like a 24mm 1.8 lens, multi exposure option, talkback, backlight compensation, hotshoe, PC sync and a million other things. But I'd be fine with a full auto 35mm f/3.5 flash off button, clamshell pocketable point and shoot. This is doable. Start adding a wish list and you end up with a three thousand dollar camera that goes wonky after a year.
How do you know Jtk is not deleting most of the posts himself?
The features I describe would all of them cost very little to implement and add a tonne to the value and interest to the the camera.
Technology and wants has not stood still since the time of the Mju II.
More would be possible and expected from a new PnS.
No one in their right mind would ever see that the left looks better than the right.
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And that is even good direct flash.
Left looks gritty and snap-shotty. But the right is more flattering and “true” in most peoples book.
It could be very simple mechanically. Only an internal swivel reflector like in this flash.
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You are talking about avoiding complication and then advocate that it’s OK for people to have to play along at home with Blue Peter to change the ISO? Something that should and can be trivial.
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Technology and wants has not stood still since the time of the Mju II.
More would be possible and expected from a new PnS.
Because the N90 is an all electronic plastic blob camera.explain to me why a perfect condition Nikon N90s goes for $50 - a camera that has AF, multiple meter modes, motor drive, 1/8000 shutter - while the Pentax K1000 - a camera that is manual focus, manual exposure, one meter pattern, no motor drive, 1/1000 shutter - costs triple what the N90s does?
Technology hasn’t, but wants has.
explain to me why a perfect condition Nikon N90s goes for $50 - a camera that has AF, multiple meter modes, motor drive, 1/8000 shutter - while the Pentax K1000 - a camera that is manual focus, manual exposure, one meter pattern, no motor drive, 1/1000 shutter - costs triple what the N90s does?
The N90s is so superior to the Pentax K1000, but no-one wants one.
This will be the same for a P&S. No-one wants what you describe, apart from you and a couple of other people who would never actually buy one.
p.s your photo of the girl? There are plenty of girls who would prefer the pic on the left w the direct flash because that pic makes the girl look thinner.
Because the N90 is an all electronic plastic blob camera.
I wonder if Pentax kept any of the plastic molds etc? I would think that if Pentax could produce a nicely finished autofocus p&s, with a fast 40mm, at a reasonable, price it would sell well.
If they wanted to get $1000+, it would have to be made in Japan. That's unlikely.
Because the N90 is an all electronic plastic blob camera.
Technology hasn’t, but wants has.
explain to me why a perfect condition Nikon N90s goes for $50 - a camera that has AF, multiple meter modes, motor drive, 1/8000 shutter - while the Pentax K1000 - a camera that is manual focus, manual exposure, one meter pattern, no motor drive, 1/1000 shutter - costs triple what the N90s does?
The N90s is so superior to the Pentax K1000, but no-one wants one.
This will be the same for a P&S. No-one wants what you describe, apart from you and a couple of other people who would never actually buy one.
p.s your photo of the girl? There are plenty of girls who would prefer the pic on the left w the direct flash because that pic makes the girl look thinner.
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