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I'm possibly looking to purchase a super-clean Pentax 6x7 from a reputable dealer, but was curious, would anyone know when exactly (referring to serial number) that this camera started to be equipped with the mirror lock-up (MLU) function?
Knowing a relative serial number would be quite interesting, but if one is unknown, what does this function exactly look like on the outside?
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Hi,

Identification of MLU on the body is simple:
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... as long as it's a picture of the actual camera for sale, rather than a generic image.
 

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I've also heard that Pentax retrofitted some of the older 6x7s with MLU, so a serial number would not accurately determine if it has it or not.
 

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I don't see how the MLU feature could possibly be retrofitted, and have never heard of it being attempted either. It would have probably cost more to hypothetically do than buying another body anyway. MLU 6x7 bodies are relatively abundant. The main concern, these cameras being a bit older now, is if the light-tight gasketing is still good or might need replacement, which is a fairly simple task.
 

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I have heard of a multiple exposure retrofit, but I’ve never heard of them doing it on the mirror lockup either.
 

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I have heard of a multiple exposure retrofit, but I’ve never heard of them doing it on the mirror lockup either.

If you search for "Pentax 6x7 mirror lockup retrofit" on google, there are several people claiming Pentax offered it but perhaps it is a false collective memory. There must be someone here old enough to remember what Pentax was offering in 1976 -I'd be curious to know!
 

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1976, I was way too young to know anything. It could be true, I just have never heard of it (and I agree a bit with Dew that it seems like it would be expensive where it would be simpler and cheaper to have a trade in process, where they just provide a new MLU camera as a replacement.
 

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If you have a Pentax 6x7, look closely at the body shell that covers the part where the MLU lockup button goes. That part is removable & would be easily replaceable with one that suited an MLU button. I don't like the MLU button because I find it to be awkwardly located where it is far too easy to accidentally press it & rarely have any need to use it. I think the Pentax was pretty obviously meant to be a primarily handheld camera, apart from with the longest lenses.
 

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That's a ridiculous statement. Very early on, prior to TTL, they brought out a very wide selection of lenses which included teles so big they resembled Naval artillery more than a camera attachment. Yes, aerial photographers prized this camera, and there was even a dedicated underwater housing system for it. Making it look and operate like a giant 35mm SLR certainly helped those wanting to intuitively transition up to 6x7 format. And they had a grip to facilitate handheld us with flash, and a couple of leaf-shutter lenses appropriate for that kind of studio handheld application. But it's relatively limited in usage handheld. I sure learned that early on myself, even with normal and wide-angle lenses. I can remember one long strenuous early trip plodding over seemingly endless ice, rock glaciers, and talus fields, and whenever locating a tempting shot, having to find an appropriate boulder or log to rest the camera on. When I got back the lab dunked my Ektachrome in C41 chem and ruined everything. Never again that lab; never again without a sturdy tripod. Sure, I've gotten excellent shots handheld too over the years; but that was contingent upon a combination of factors generally including high shutter speeds, high ASA film, and relatively distant subjects manageable with relatively wide f-stops. I suspect some of the 35mm-ish shape was not only related to improving handheld ergonomics, but avoiding the reverse curl film issue of MF cameras with interchangeable backs, which still seems to have been a legitimate source of complaint way back then.
 
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That's a ridiculous statement. Very early on, prior to TTL, they brought out a very wide selection of lenses which included teles so big they resembled Naval artillery more than a camera attachment. Yes, aerial photographers prized this camera, and there was even a dedicated underwater housing system for it. Making it look and operate like a giant 35mm SLR certainly helped those wanting to intuitively transition up to 6x7 format.

I have an original P6x7 brochure, one of the 'selling points' mentions the camera body having two pairs of strap lugs, to facilitate either portrait or landscape straps - or to use two straps when extra security is required "such as mountaineering"...

Back to the OP's question: The MLU had various changes to the film transport (possibly other areas too), some repairers have in the past stated the non-MLU is less repairable than the MLU version due to these changes. The MLU switch can be triggered by accident, you have no choice but to shoot the frame to return the mirror. Using one of the recent 3D printed right-hand grips often makes this much more likely (although they do make carrying the camera easier).

NOTE: If you're new to the Pentax 6x7/6x7MLU/67, read this before fiddling with it: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums...-67-meter-coupling-chain-ttl-meter-prism.html
 

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Earlier I think I referred back to Shirakawa's famous picture book work with the P67 system in the Himalayas and Alps. Other than aerial shots, a heavy tripod was routine. He also had the advantage of assistants and porters, expedition-style. I didn't, and sure as heck understand of the applications of the P67 system in the mountains. But that was a brief phase; and for the next three and a half decades almost exclusively used 4x5 and even 8x10 in the mountains. The 6x7 was more for quickie roadside shooting with telephotos, especially when wind conditions risked turning a view camera into a kite. But I'm very glad I didn't sell the 67 gear, and have even added a couple lenses in recent years. I have personally never ever accidentally triggered the MLU switch; it's well designed and doesn't have any projection.
 

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Yeah I agree accidentally tripping the MLU switch isn't an issue, unless you plan to have one of those after market right hand grips installed. Then the fingertips of your right hand sit dangerously close to it when gripping the camera. Not an issue for me though as I very quickly abandoned use of such grips; I tried a couple of different ones and found them wanting for various reasons.
 

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According to the Pentax Forum, non-MLU cameras were made for only one year, although those particular units might have taken several years to sell out. So Pentax apparently realized quite early on the need for a lock-up option, which began mfg the very next yr.
 

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According to the Pentax Forum, non-MLU cameras were made for only one year, although those particular units might have taken several years to sell out. So Pentax apparently realized quite early on the need for a lock-up option, which began mfg the very next yr.

I recall reading that the MLU model launched in 1976, which seems more likely given the number of non-MLU's in the marketplace. Wasn't the 21-on 220 mode replaced with 20-on very early on in production?
 

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I'm just going with what the Pentax Forum states, which might or might not be correct. But, just like you, I'm scratching my head about that due to the sheer quantity of non-MLU's still out there.
 

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I suspect that folks are confusing a modification Pentax did offer, to adapt the power circuit to allow long "bulb" exposures without draining the battery, with the idea of retrofitting a MLU function, which would require both mechanical and electric circuit modificaitons. I'll side with the view that making that modification would be more trouble and expense than it would be worth.
 

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They offered a remote battery cable for preventing battery drain in extremely cold weather. I have one of those. It fits into the battery position while the actual battery can be kept in a warm pocket. The concept works but isn't very practical. The later P67ii changed things to allow mirror lock-up without continual battery drain, so was the design preferred by astrophotographers for their very long exposures.
 

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... as long as it's a picture of the actual camera for sale, rather than a generic image.

I wouldn't buy a camera if only generic images were shown.

Drew, when I first started selling photo gear on eBay I was accused of using stock images. I had to purposely make my photos look less professional. :D
 

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Just put some cobwebs on your lenses and then you can charge extra for them as specially modified for Holga camera use.
 
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