gainer said:I guess I created a monster. A long dead one at that. I think it does not stink so badly when it is made at the lower temoerature. I know it is not nearly so dark. That color is due to the fact that TEA darkens with heating.
You might like it better as an A-B stock with the A being same as PC-TEA but using propylene glycol as the solvent. You may then use TEA as the B or you may use the B part of PMK or you may experiment with various amounts of sodium carbonate. Nicholas Twist uses a teaspoon each of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate to the liter.
In either TEA or glycol the life of the A solution is very long.
gainer said:What else was in your developer?
Maine-iac said:I mixed up some PC-TEA following directions I got from somewhere in this forum awhile ago. I heated it to 250 and while everything mixed up OK, it turned a very dark brown in color (like black coffee almost) and smells horrible, even now when I dilute it for developing. It works perfectly well as announced, and gives me good negs, but about drives me out of the darkroom with the odor.
Is this characteristic? If so, I'll go back to my TEA-less existence. Is it the result of over-heating (I notice that Gainer's post mentions heating it to 160 degrees.)? Not only is the smell bad, but it persists in the darkroom for a day or more.
Larry
fhovie said:I mixed up the DS-14 listed in the formula section - heated the TEA up to 250 and added all the Ascorbic acid and the Phenidone and it turned a pale yellow and has no smell at all. Humph ...
Tom Hoskinson said:Well - I used a hot plate and mine looks pretty much like your description - light color and no stink. I don't know what I'm doing wrong...
gainer said:Nicholas Twist uses a teaspoon each of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate to the liter.
If I go commercial with a PC-TEA mess I will call it either Stinkinol or Roadkillol. That should sell a bunch of it. It migh even keep the raccoons out of your corn patch. They'll go mad trying to wash their hands.sanking said:OK, let's shoot for the stars. The first person to mix up a solution in -TEA that approximates the foul odor of Kodak Brown Toner gets an autographed copy of my favorite Pepe le pue cartoon.
All entries should go to Pat Gainer since he is responsible for starting this smelly business.
Sandy
gainer said:It migh even keep the raccoons out of your corn patch. They'll go mad trying to wash their hands.
rjr said:Sandy,
To me that sound much more like a Agfa Clack. ;-)
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Yes. As long as it is the L-ascorbate it is vitamin C. If it D-ascorbate it has little or no value as vitamin C but works fine for developing. There may be a problem with dissolving it in glycol or TEA. I haven't tried. It also seems to oxidize more rapidly in powder form than the acid. It smells like brown sugar when it does.fhovie said:Isn't Sodium Ascorbate also considered "Vitamin C" - I use this chemical quite a bit as well both for alternative process developers and for MYTOL. I don't think it is interchangable ... wrong PH
MikeS said:You might want to check your supply of Vitamin C. I had mixed up some PC-TEA, as well as some MC-TEA (used Metol while waiting for my phenidone to arrive) using vitamin C capsules I bought at a vitamin store as my source of vitamin C. In both cases, as soon as I added the C the solution turned a dark red color, and when the solution cooled it was VERY thick.
-Mike Schiller
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