Part 2: RB67 w/ProS Bck, will not advance...

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Originally started in this thread @ (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Background from previous post:
"This morning, took out the RB67 with a ProS back, and shot number #3 vertically, and then advanced film, and changed the exposure time, took a shot, everything working fine, but could not advance the film.
Noticed that it was like the film had not been shot, the little red flag next to the number was not there.
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To make a long story short, ... fired it twice, before the red flag would appear. ... Finished the roll ...
What's going on?
Have not developed the film yet.. ... but ProS back is empty now, so what should I check, and how to do it?
Thanks in advance."


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Hmmmm... rolled up, and loaded an old paper back into the back, to fake the camera into thinking it was loaded with a fresh roll of film, and gave it a test.
On Horizontal it seems to be consistent, on vertical, no way Jose. Takes two more, three total to get the red flag, so that the roll can be advanced.

With the film back off, on the right top side, on the hinge side and looking at the face where you can see the dark slide, there is a small hole, and inside of it a dark pad. When I press a point of a pen into this hole, the pressure against the pad causes the red flag to be raised, and the 'film' now can be advanced.
So this is the reset point.

Looking at the back of the camera, with the film back off, the pin that activates this pad, is located at the top left, and comes through a steel 'pointed' finger.
When rotating this housing Horizontal or in Vertical position, you can see the pin come out about the same distance. But you cannot manually seem to activate this by hand when the rotator and film back,are coupled together, when their off the camera.
It has to be on the camera, to work!
So how in the 'elll can one measure to be sure its the same distance, when the back is rotated?
It just flashes out and right back in!

I doubt that the problem is the film back pad, as the reset works when pressed by a pen in vertical position..

Anybody else have this problem with and RB67?

Shutterfinger gave me location of manual for this, and will start researching.
 

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does you film back have 2 holes, one in each corner?

only in the vertical position? are you sure its snaping into position?

off camera the back works fine when you trip the flag.. that says its not a back problem then.

does your rotating back have 2 silver tits?

sometimes the pins in the silver tits get hung up. a tiny drop of wd40 can losen that up. manually push those pins out n examine them? do it in the vertical pos to? the mecanism that takes the pin to vertical may be sticking.


i have a bad habbit of laying my camera on those pins n sometimes get crud in them.

also... something commonly overlooked... there are silver tabs on the right side of the rotating back. they signal if there is a dark slide or a back is present. when shooting, it can be pushed in by the palm of your hand and the camera wont fire or advance. just be aware of those tabs.

but so far i see this as a rotating back problem without actually seeing it.
 
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No only one hole in the right upper corner, as you look at it.

only in the vertical position? are you sure its snaping into position?
Yes
does your rotating back have 2 silver tits?
No, just one on the left top, where the finger point comes out of, to reset the film back.
Or are you talking about something else, for I cannot manually push the pin out to examine.
If this is what your referring to, how do you push the pin out?
just be aware of those tabs.
Yes, Im aware of them, and they do not seem to contribute to the problem.
 

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then your rotating back is not a pro s version... its an rb rotating back. miss matched to the pro s film back

thats why it doesnt work in vertical.
 

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one tit, one hole is rb67 not pro s
 

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put up a pic of the film back holes and the rotating back tits? is the body a pro s?

oh here is a tip off... do you get the red bars in the iew finder when you turn the back?
 
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Whoa ... no the camera is an RB, the back is an ProS ..

Have had this camera for years now, and this ProS back has never given me a problem, in fact both backs I have for it are ProS, and never had a problem like this.
 

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well then if you say it worked, then the mechanism is sticking inside the roating back.

push the pins out in both positions? its not transfering the pin orientation properly

do you have the double exposure set on the back? the lever by the advance lever? on the red dot?
 
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I don't have two positions.. and PLEASE tell me how the pin can be pushed out!
 
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Hmmm... On both of them they only have one hole, for one pin, and both backs are labeled ProS
 

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check to see if the double exposure is set on the back?... under the advance lever.. red dot?
 

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hold on im going down to the shop.
 
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Ok .. meanwhile..
Under the advance lever, there is no red dot, only a lever, that has an 'Arrow indicator' showing you to push it to the left. When you do, it just springs back. Never used it. Never really noticed it before. What does it do?
 

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ok pictures...
 

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see the screw in the hole on the top right? vertical, push that... also when half rotated you can see the other side
 

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I'll be danged.. yes have red dot under lever.. but only one tit and one pin...
Now to the screw hole..
 

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first pix show rb vs pro s film back... dark slide is rb, note corner holes? 1 on the rb

2 silver tits on rb pro s rotating back
 

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in that square hole....
 

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someone switched your rb inserts into a pro s shell
 

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got it now?
 
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Nope not the same.. as in your picture, but I do not know what position you have the rotator.
On my rotator.. off camera, with the white dot, showing vertical position, the screw is above the pin, on the left side as you look at it.
Going to dig out the digital..
 

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thats in vertical...but it transfers left to right as you turn

rb pro s has 2 holes on the film backs
 
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The dang digital battery is dead...
I'll be darn.. mixed goods... but until today have had no problem.

Wait a minute.. there is a misunderstanding .. the film back is ProS
The rotor is RB!!!

Dang.. edit again... but the back only has one hole so is an RB!

Do i have it correct now?
But why has it worked OK all these years?
 

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maybe the me hanism is sticking. rotate it half way n look to see the works? a dab of wd cures that but dont squirt it in... put a tiny drop off the tip of a small screw driver.
 
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