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On CL, when I sell, I try to offer it in a first contact first offer method. If they don't reply at all after the initial email reply, maybe in a day or two, I offer it to the next person I emailed. When I do get that 2nd, 3rd, etc email, I tell them, someone emailed me before them and if they don't reply by a certain time, it's theirs.

Paypal fee? Well, same could be said about the shipping. You're the buyer, you're responsible for the shipping to YOU, you eat it. :smile:

$600 item? Oh yeah, shipping is included... or maybe it's a $612 item with free shipping. :smile:
 

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should the seller wait to answer the questions of that person, or should he sell it to the person who is actively ready to buy at that moment. It's really a factor of being polite versus being business savvy

I disagree.

From the seller's point of view, they're saying, "I have this item for sale. Who wants it?"...he has one reply that asks a question and one reply that says "I'll take it."...that's a no-brainer. The first reply is making conversation, while the second reply is actively engaging you in the transaction process.

This is why, as a buyer, it's important to make your intentions abundantly clear.

In that same situation, if I were the first responder, and I seriously was planning on buying the item provided the answer to that one question meets my expectations, my first PM would read more as, "Hi, I'd like to buy the 1978 Canikon Widget XW you posted for sale, provided you can confirm that the automatic meat slicer appendage still works. If so, I can arrange your PayPal transfer as soon as I get confirmation, but if that doesn't work, I'm afraid I'm not interested, as I plan to use the Widget XW in my flying deli."

Just asking, "Does the meat slicer appendage still work?" doesn't even mention the possibility of transaction, where the fuller reply above makes it very clear.

As a seller, if I got that full inquiry, then minutes later, a second PM that says, "I'll take it.", I'd likely respond to the second caller, "Thanks for your interest. I already have a prospective buyer who contacted me first, but if that arrangement falls through, you're next in line!"

I also personally hate paying shipping, and I think it's sort of funny when people who sell in the US only refuse to eat the $12 shipping cost on a $600 item, it's like a little stab wound for me, so I always offer $600 even with something like that. And no I'm not paying your PayPal fees either, if you choose to use PayPal then you should except the fees involved in the protection that PayPal gives you and not try to weasel it out of your buyer, I also find that insulting. I know it's all perspective, you could easily build that into the price of the initial item, but I think it's just really annoying when they try to build it into the additional costs afterwards.

This is highly subjective. I never take offense at the way a seller has constructed the transaction...the fees and details are no different from the price, in my eyes. If I find the whole enchilada unacceptable, I don't respond.

If the seller doesn't indicate that their terms are firm, I may counter-offer that I'm willing to buy right now, IF they pick up the fees (or on CL if they're willing to come to me), but that's only in rare cases.

That all being said, I *do* however, find it completely objectionable for a seller from CL I'm meeting in person to try to change the terms of the agreement once we meet...with the hope that since I've already put this much effort into the deal, that I'll just grin and bear it.

I've only had this happen a handful of times, but each time, I've stood my ground...once even resulting in a no-deal for an item I'd driven nearly 90 minutes to buy. In most cases though, they're just trying for more money, but will settle for the agreed upon terms. I had a guy sell me a flash for like $200...but he didn't specifically say that the gels in the picture were included. At the meetup, he said the gels would be an extra $50, so I said 'keep em'. Another time, the pics of a lens had no filter shown, but at the meetup, there was a UV filter mounted. Eventually the seller mentioned that the filter was too big for her other lenses, so she was throwing it in...for another $40. So I unscrewed it and handed it back to her. She argued that she had no use for it, and I responded that that wasn't in any way something I should have to pay for, and that forcing me to buy it would result in a no-deal...so she took it back.

It's about respect...you can stay firm, negotiate, and drive a hard bargain without disrespecting the other party.
 

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I bought my Omega D6 off of Craigslist.

I negotiated a price reduction before my wife and I went to see it.

When I got there, the seller was so happy to sell it to someone who was going to use it, she through in a whole bunch of additional darkroom equipment and chemistry that wasn't even mentioned in the ad.

When I handed the envelope of money too her, she wasn't even going to count it until my wife and I insisted.
 

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Everybody hates shipping costs. I weigh my items on a postage scale and get the exact costs correct or even mail items flat rate. People still ding me on my shipping costs on Ebay.

If I sell something for $500.00, sure I'll offer free shipping. There is no way though that I'm going to eat $12.00 in shipping on a $20.00 item.
 

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There are some interesting comments here, but I would like to discuss shipping…

If you buy online from a retail store, don’t you expect to pay fair shipping costs? Imagine calling KEH and saying, “I’ll buy that lens, but you’ll have to pay my shipping costs.” Even on a $20 item.

On the other hand, I know how much it costs to ship an item, and I refuse to buy from someone who purposely inflates shipping costs. More than once on Ebay, I have emailed a seller and said, “I will buy your product, but the USPS can ship it for xxx, so could you charge me xxx for shipping?” In almost every case, the seller will agree.
 
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I understand actual shipping + material / time costs. $1-2 on top of actual costs, I understand. But anymore than that is crazy. I do appreciate people who charge actual shipping, though.

BTW, I subscribed.
 

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The few transactions I made here were OK: fair price and items in good conditions. I think it has to do with the fact an APUG sellers hang out here, therefore their reputation matters more here than somewhere else - like e-Bay or Craigslist -, those places being more trading places than forums.

I just regret not having an address in USA, since shipping is getting high and border fees taking its toll. That is unfortunate because I think that US distributors offer better prices in terms of gears and films than Canadian ones. But when it comes to e-bay, I try to buy Canadians in order to avoid custom fees. (The Free Trade Agreement is only favorable for corporations, not for the private buyers.)

Concerning the prices, I manage to bargain only when the sellers say he is willing to deal that way, otherwise I go on another seller. As a seller I don't bother a long time. After 2 or 3 turns on e-bay, I lower the price by 10-15%.

Regarding the shipping price, I tend to set a realistic amount, although I am aware some sellers lower the main price while jacking up the shipping prices. As a matter of fact, Adorama on e-Bay has a very high shipping price, even for a mere roll of film.
 

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If anybody's interested, the Charlotte Dregslist today has a Canon AE-1 complete with a Sigma zoom and a teleconverter. And all this can be yours for $250. That's right, just 250. Now don't trample over each other rushing to this stupendous sale.
 
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If anybody's interested, the Charlotte Dregslist today has a Canon AE-1 complete with a Sigma zoom and a teleconverter. And all this can be yours for $250. That's right, just 250. Now don't trample over each other rushing to this stupendous sale.

What about an AE-1 that is said to have been never used in box with 80-205mm lens for $300
 

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What about an AE-1 that is said to have been never used in box with 80-205mm lens for $300
Well, a camera that hasn't been used on a regular basis might be a problem. I would not be surprised it should be CLA'd and the lightmeter could also be dead.
 

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I have bought more off this site than off any other. The members here know what kit is worth and the marketplace here seems to be self-regulating. I have never had to do any haggling and that's because everything I've bought here was almost ridiculously prices, in the buyers favour that is.
 

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Wouldn't guess any AE-1 would be worth 200 esp with a zoom only. I see those locally for a 100 or less very often.
 

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Wouldn't guess any AE-1 would be worth 200 esp with a zoom only. I see those locally for a 100 or less very often.
I find the Canon A series usually overpriced compared with cameras of the same configuration. At least in local re-sell websites. Such a body with a 50mm lens is very often offered at 150$, although those same cameras are not even CLA'd by the seller. Considering the batteries required to make it work and the usual problems (squeak syndrome, EEE error with T90, etc.) happening with this serie, I don't believe it is a good move.
 
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