ORWO N75 Plus 400 35mm Film Test

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I got some ORWO N75 Plus 400 film yesterday. There are some threads on this film out there. I will mention that it is an inexpensive 35mm negative movie film with rotary process and still photography characteristics unknown to myself.

The first test shown here is a test of film speed. This is a test relative to fresh Tri-X. Both films were exposed with a Wejex Daylight sensitometer and processed together about 30 minutes after exposure. Processed in Jobo CPP2 6 min at 24C in T-max developer one-shot. Films read with a calibrated Tobias TCX transmission densitometer.

The speed of each film was determined and Tri-X was defined as "400" to see where the ORWO falls relative to that. A 'minimum gradient' film speed test was done, rather than a '0.1 fixed value' test to avoid having to create a series of curves for each film.

The results are in the following graph.

The ORWO is a fast film but it is just slightly slower than Tri-X. In terms of error of this method, I'm using a standard deviation of 0.3 DIN units per the paper by Nelson on W-Speed.

So that gives Tri-X a range of 27.3 to 26.7 DIN and ORWO a range of 26.7 to 26.1, so they almost overlap.

I'll say they are very close. Based on this I'll meter them the same.

This was not a development test pre say, but I can see that the ORWO does not respond as well as Tri-X to Tmax developer. I'll probably use a time that is 25% greater than my time for Tri-X.


SPECS: ORWO emulsion number N62-1, Roll 1711 25d, Box speed 400 daylight, 250 Tung.

TrixvsORWO.jpg
 
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I interpret fog level as an indicator of how long film as been sitting around before I buy it. My Tri-x (100ft) came from a refrigerator at a local dealer a few weeks ago and the ORWO came in the mail the day before the test. Results are as follows:

Film base plus fog:
Tri-x = 0.33
ORWO = 0.41
 
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Just to be fair, ic-racer, Kodak is Kodak and TRI-X is one of the best films ever made. Under no circumstances I can't except those two films to be direct competitors. I haven't use fresh ORWO in more than 18 years and I'm looking forward to try their new emulsions.

Although that Tri-X was fried a little (gamma was around 0.9) that ORWO looks like it has a straighter curve. I'm keeping an open mind. All I know is that ORWO wants to be your 35mm film supplier and Kodak, well I don't know that they want...
 
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Here is a curve for OWRO N75 processed a little longer to more closely match the slope of the Tri-X. In this case the films were processed individually, but the other conditions were held reasonably constant.

The two film curves look very similar. Speed is very close.

TrixvsORWO2-1.jpg
 
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Great to see some data, (especially since I have a roll of the stuff on order.) how is the grain?
 
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Great to see some data, (especially since I have a roll of the stuff on order.) how is the grain?

At 6 minutes the grain is very similar on both test strips. With 8 min on the ORWO the grain is slightly more pronounced than the TriX at 6 minutes.
 
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Not yet, still working on the last of a 100ft roll of Tri-x. Probably only on or two rolls left. I'm anxious to try it out.
 

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Has anyone a starting point for ORWO UN-54 in XTOL?
 

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Hi kb3lms,
With UN-54 I used original Agfa Rodinal 1:50, 20C, 13min (2 inversions each minute) but I fell it can be bit shorter next time, 11.5min or so. Highlights look little bit dense but it scanned beautifully on my scanner.
With HC110, I used Dilution H (1:3+1:15) 7min 20C (2 inversions each minute) and this one also can be shorter, next time lets say 6min.
I hope you can figure your starting points from there.
I'm planning to try it with Xtol 1:1 in next few days.
Stay tuned!
 

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Thanks! I am anxious to try it out but I am a little slowed down with my busted foot keeping me out of the darkroom. :sad: Maybe tomorrow I can rearrange enough stuff to let me hobble around in there.
 

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How well would you think it would perform with reversal?
 

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Hi kb3lms,
With UN-54 I used original Agfa Rodinal 1:50, 20C, 13min (2 inversions each minute) but I fell it can be bit shorter next time, 11.5min or so. Highlights look little bit dense but it scanned beautifully on my scanner.
With HC110, I used Dilution H (1:3+1:15) 7min 20C (2 inversions each minute) and this one also can be shorter, next time lets say 6min.
I hope you can figure your starting points from there.
I'm planning to try it with Xtol 1:1 in next few days.
Stay tuned!

13 minutes is way too long for UN-54 in Rodinal 1+50. Try it at about 8 minutes.
 

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Hi pschauss,
You are right! It's to long. I did another run or UN-54 at 10min with Rodinal 1:50 at 20 and it can be shorter to. So I'm getting closer to your time. My starting point was APX-100 and I run that film 12.5 or 13 min in Rodinal.
My last run was in Xtol 1:1 for 8min 20C and I'm very happy with results. Maybe I can cut it to 7min or less but also I would like to drop speed to 50 or 64 iso. Pictures are at:http://flic.kr/s/aHsjxscdGt


Hi mrred,
You can order film here:
http://www.orwona.com/b-w-motion-picture-camera-films/
UN-54 has pretty clear grey base. Sorry, no densitometer here to give you B+F value. I did BW reversal processing years ago with EFKE KB50 and ORWO reversal recipe 9home made) it was very nice film for it. I don't think I will run another reversal processing with this ORWO stock.
 

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Those are very nice images. To bad they ship with UPS, as they add $30 to do customs brokering. I will have to buy a bunch to make it worthwhile.
 

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To bad they ship with UPS, as they add $30 to do customs brokering. I will have to buy a bunch to make it worthwhile.

Send then an e-mail. The film I bought was sent by USPS after I raised that point. The folks who are running the show seem to be quite accommodating.
 

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Hi mrred, Shipping with UPS can be tricky. If you pay lowest shipping price then you got punish by "brokerage fee", if you pay a few $ more brokerage is included in price. I'm always reluctant to do any business with them because of that. On NA ORWO web site they mentioned bad experience with Brooklyn postal office and that they need to find another one. My film was send by USPS. I'm sure they are flexible to arrange best possible and cheapest shipping.
 
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