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Jay,

no, Orwo isn´t Efke. Efke used to be Adox/DuPont, a western german company, their emulsion technology was licensed to Fotokemika in Yugoslavia/Croatia.

This is GDR-Orwo... Orwo means "Original Wolfen", which used to be the Agfa Wolfen plant, one of the biggest photochemical factories in the world. After the war Afga started out with two companies - the rather smallish photopaper plant in LEverkusen was dedicated to be the core of the recently formed "Agfa, daughter company of Bayer" (of Aspirin fame), Agfa Wolfen was seized and transferred into a Soviet-German joint stock company. Parts of the plant were moved to the Ukraine, to the town of Sumi - this is today the "Svema" brand. In the late 1950s Agfa Leverkusen secured the trademark, Agfa Wolfen (now a GDR property) lost - it put an end to the delivery of film from east to west.

Agfa Wolfen now chose to work under the new label "ORiginal WOlfen", Orwo.

With the collapse of the GDR Orwo went down in flames - they stopped coating in 1994 (allthough they just started marketing on a few emulsions), large parts of the plant were demolished. The brand continued to exist as a private label, they confectioned Ilford and Agfa film under their label and ran a mailorder lab service.

Orwo finally collapsed in 2002-2003 when the parental company Pixelnet went bankcrupt (altogether with Photo Porst, another old german photo brand).

The film you have is plain old Orwopan, if you can quote me the exact type name and the "best use before" date, I can give you times for several developers, including Rodinal, ID11/D76/F19 and A49.
 

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For a while, J&C was selling "ORWO 125" which was relabeled Ilford FP4+. It was dirt cheap (IIRC, $1.25 a 36 exp roll). I bought 3 bricks and am glad I did!
 

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I almost forgot...

When I was stationed in West Berlin, we used to shop over in the East and buy lots of Orwo films in 120. It was tricky finding a workable film speed and development time with Kodak chemicals, but the film had an interesting look - especially nice for portraits.

Please, don't ask me for soups/times/temps... That was over 20 years ago...
 

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I just received yet another book in the mail - this one is a photographic chemistry textbook from ORWO...

I guess ORWO NP 15 is what you have. The book gives starting times for that in a long range of developers, including R09 (Rodinal), Acutol, Microphen, ORWO 19 (D-76) and several others.
 

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At a quick guess, it's Negativ Panchromatisch, 15 DIN...
 

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Jay,

Please keep us posted on how this film turns out; which dev., times, temps and amount of fogging due to age.
 

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bobfowler said:
For a while, J&C was selling "ORWO 125" which was relabeled Ilford FP4+. It was dirt cheap (IIRC, $1.25 a 36 exp roll). I bought 3 bricks and am glad I did!

That's what I kept reading! So is this really OWRO produced film or repackaged Ilford- enquiring minds want to know. :confused:
 

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garryl said:
That's what I kept reading! So is this really OWRO produced film or repackaged Ilford- enquiring minds want to know. :confused:

It was repacked Ilford... No different from "regular" FP4+
 

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bobfowler said:
It was repacked Ilford... No different from "regular" FP4+
Thank you! But is it the same stuff as JDEF picked up off E*ay?
Is it also repackaged Ilford?
 

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Probably not. Ilford hasn't made a ISO 25 emulsion since... since... In many years.
 

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bobfowler said:
For a while, J&C was selling "ORWO 125" which was relabeled Ilford FP4+. It was dirt cheap (IIRC, $1.25 a 36 exp roll). I bought 3 bricks and am glad I did!
I bought several bricks of this. First brick I opened every roll had multiple horizontal scratches running the entire length of the emulsion. Not useable.
Mark
 
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Ole,

books? Your on the hunt for Fotokino Verlag-stuff, too?

I am for two years now and my stack is growing bigger - that former Agfa-publishing company did some very fine books...

Garry, this film has been coated in the GDR - it was only since about 1996 that "Orwo" sold Ilford FP4 and it was in a very different package design.

I have a documentation on video, showing how the plant was "disembarked" . the men burned the archives, the women destroyed the leftover stocks by cracking the 35mm cartridges, then they went over to demolish the buildings. :-(
 

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rjr said:
books? Your on the hunt for Fotokino Verlag-stuff, too?

I am for two years now and my stack is growing bigger - that former Agfa-publishing company did some very fine books...

Yes, Roman. Lots of useful info there (and useless info too, which may be my main interest)!
 
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Jay, Thomas,

here we go. These times are only starters, of course, your handling may vary, the film may have been fogged...

Why type it myself when someone else already did? ;-) I remembered that Olav Kettner put the manual for Orwo R09 online:

http://www.bremsenbude.de/rodinal.pdf

and

http://www.bremsenbude.de/entwicklungszeiten.xls

According to that it´s 9min, 20°C, 1+40 for NP15. Olav mentioned some high fogging on NP15-120, "best use before 1-1991", so you might want to compensate for that from starters.

This seems to result in a gradation suitable for condensor enlargers. With Agfa Rodinal I´d just start out with 1+50 and the same times.

Ole, look out for Wunderlich´s "Finessen im Fotolabor" - it´s the most useful book in the bunch, it gave me some new ideas on how to deal with problems. Shouldn´t cost more than 1 or 2EUR at Eprey.
 

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Mark Layne said:
I bought several bricks of this. First brick I opened every roll had multiple horizontal scratches running the entire length of the emulsion. Not useable.
Mark

I must be lucky, I'm in the middle of brick #2 and the film is fine...
 

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rjr said:
Ole,

books? Your on the hunt for Fotokino Verlag-stuff, too?

This is why I wish I'd taken German in High school. But then my library of old books would be pushing me out the door.

rjr said:
I have a documentation on video, showing how the plant was "disembarked" . the men burned the archives, the women destroyed the leftover stocks by cracking the 35mm cartridges, then they went over to demolish the buildings. :-(

Well that wasn't very nice of them was it? I always been curious about ORWO since getting a copy of the "Exackta Manual". There is a lot of references of their films and developers.
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Fine, so you have real original Orwo NP 15, from "Fotografische Chemie", that is either 9 mins in Rodinal 1:40, 10 mins in Orwo 19 which is D-76 formula or 6-8 mins in Acutol.
My NP 15 is dated Aug 92, three 135 films pre-cutted but still on a 5 m roll in a tin can. The pre-cut is fine just fits old screw thread Leicas, so first trials were NP 15 with Leica II (1932) and Summar (1936) on the test print resolution was poor -BUT could have been camera shake.

Good luck!

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jdef said:
I bought 28 rolls of the stuff, and it only takes one to get exposure/development info. I'm more curious about the film itself than development times. The FP4+ repackaged as Orwo is what led me to believe that it might be repackaged Efke or Agfa, the only 25 speed EU films that I know of. I like using these oddball films. Some time ago I bought about 20 rolls of some other German film, tentatively identified as Perutz, possibly by Roman. It was 30+/- years old, and smelled of mildew, but produced some very nice images. Thanks for the info.

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i am interested in purchasing four rolls from you....bruce@whatasite.com
 
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jdef said:
I bought 28 rolls of the stuff, and it only takes one to get exposure/development info. I'm more curious about the film itself than development times. The FP4+ repackaged as Orwo is what led me to believe that it might be repackaged Efke or Agfa, the only 25 speed EU films that I know of. I like using these oddball films. Some time ago I bought about 20 rolls of some other German film, tentatively identified as Perutz, possibly by Roman. It was 30+/- years old, and smelled of mildew, but produced some very nice images. Thanks for the info.

Jay
i am interested in purchasing four rolls from you....bruce@whatasite.com
 

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Pictures! I'd like to see some photos done with the film, please.
 
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Jay....a film exchange is OK. Please specify the B&W film that you want otherwise you will get some Efke 25 & 100. Also, send me a separate email with your postal mailing address. Thank you....Bruce
 
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