Olympus XA2 vs Ricoh FF1(FF1s, Sears Mini 35 Programmed)

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When I was a kid I had an Olympus XA2. No idea what happened to it, but I do remember I never got a decent pic out of it. Looking back, that could have been either user error (even though the camera is simple) or crappy 1 hour photo places, or both. Seriously, those ubiquitous 1 hour photo shops sucked hard back then, but that's another story.
Anyway, last week a kind soul gave me an XA2 that had been sitting unused for years, with batteries and film in it. The film was Ektachrome 400 - half used but in the trash it went. Batteries had leaked - of course - but miraculously nothing was damaged. The light seals looked ok but I wasn't in the mood to change until I tested the rest of the camera to make sure it would be worth while changing them. Put in some fresh batteries - no sign of life. Battery check didn't work, no nuthin'.
I had already cleaned the contacts, so all I could think of doing was taking them out, checking them, trying other batteries, putting the first ones back in, still nothing. Then after leaving them in the camera for a while, basically because I had become annoyed by the whole thing, suddenly the battery check light (and beeper) flickered and squawked. A few seconds later, everything worked! And has been like that ever since. I am not going to ask or question why..

Ok, time to dry fire to see if the shutter works. The feather touch shutter button? Well, needed a lot more than a feather touch. Needed to be mashed. But after a little while, it only occasionally needed to be mashed, and now after more dry firing and one roll of real actual film - just requires a wee bit firmer than I would have assumed squeeze. My Agfa Optima 1535 has a similar-ish shutter button/pad, but it is much more tactile and consistent on the Agfa.

The test roll was shot in about an hour or so aaaandd - success! I thought that perhaps the shutter timing was off, because some of the exposures sounded like the shutter was open too long. But the film looked great! The camera nailed every exposure, inside and out, in mixed lighting conditions. So while the shutter may have seemed like it was open for a long time, as it uses a programmed exposure mode, it seems that was appropriate for whatever aperture it selected.
Also, no light leaks, so the seals are good.

Now, I also have two Ricoh FF1 cameras (one rebranded as a Sears) which are Minox 35 look-alikes, and basically cater to the same market as the XA2. So I'm going to compare them.

The XA2 has a 35mm 3.5 lens, the Ricoh 35 2.8. The sharpness (if that matters) on the XA2 is acceptable/good enough/sometimes great. The Ricoh's lens is just fantastic. Seriously.
The XA2 has a three zone focus system, which even though the manual suggests the middle setting is great for everything, it is not. Middle setting is good to maybe 20 feet. Then start playing with it to get it between middle and infinity, or put it on infinity if it is about 30 ft away. The Ricoh is similar, but much easier to adjust has it has a focus ring around the lens with actual distance markings.

The XA2 is more compact, and stays that way when you open it, as nothing sticks out. It is also easier to open - just slide the cover w your thumb. The Ricoh has that drawbridge cover which you need to grab on both sides to open, then the lens pops out making it bigger.

The XA2 has a very fiddly ISO selector, but it allows you to select values in between eg 100, 125, 160, 200, AND goes from 25 - 800. Ricoh's is a little less fiddly but only 25, 64, 100, 200, 400.

The XA2 has a surprisingly light and easy to turn thumbwheel advance, the Ricoh has a nicer single stroke film advance lever.

The shutter button in MY XA2 is a weak sauce pad w/ zero feedback. The Ricoh has a very pleasant, domed shutter button with positive feedback.

Viewfinders? The XA2 is brighter and clearer with thinner but larger frame lines. Really nice. Every FF1 I have tried (3) has a slightly hazy VF, which is annoying but still completely useable. It's just nicer on the XA2.

The XA2 only can use the matching flash, the Ricoh has a real hotshoe that can use any flash, as well as you are able to manually control the aperture around the lens when you use the flash. Actually, there is a little trick for manual exposure with the Ricoh. There is a little switch in the hot shoe that gets activated when you mount a flash. The moment you put anything onto the hot shoe, the camera selects the flash sync speed (1/60) and you can now access the full aperture range from 2.8 - 16. Pretty cool!

The results? The XA2 can make very nice images, but the Ricoh's lens can make stunning images. Of course subject matter, matters the most. But all things equal, Ricoh nailed it.


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The pics (taken on different days/film etc but you should get an idea)

XA2 w Kentmere 400:











FF1 w C200:











 
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Oh, one really stupid and bizarre thing w the Ricoh. It has a wrist strap that only attaches on the left. Which makes it really awkward to use the camera with the strap arouund your wrist as the shutter button, wind lever is on the right.
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Good read. I’ve looked at the FF-1 but haven’t found one worth buying yet.

I have 3 XA2’s. One I’ve had since they came out. Haven’t had any problems with it. No complaints about it or picture quality but my standards aren’t super high.

I do like Ricoh’s, though, and was fortunate to buy a Ricoh 500G and 35ZF from a forum member. I wonder if they share shutter and lens quality with the FF-1? That would make a nice comparo.
 

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For a somewhat similar type camera, I really like the Minolta AF-C. Small form factor with nice results.
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What is the shutter button action like on your XA2s?

Light touch. Normal. The shutter seems to like to be pressed on the rear of the pad, though.

I can’t say I’ve ever been a fan of the shutter design. I’d rather not have to press a shutter release “just right” with the tip of my finger to get it to fire.

Plus, on the XA2, it’s easy not to have the cover completely open and the film completely advanced and if they’re not the shutter won’t fire. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve pressed the shutter pad only to have nothing happen.

Honestly, I like how small and handy the XA2’s are but I feel like a monkey on a football shooting with them. Still, I almost bought another one last week.
 
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Light touch. Normal. The shutter seems to like to be pressed on the rear of the pad, though.

I can’t say I’ve ever been a fan of the shutter design. I’d rather not have to press a shutter release “just right” with the tip of my finger to get it to fire.

Plus, on the XA2, it’s easy not to have the cover completely open and the film completely advanced and if they’re not the shutter won’t fire. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve pressed the shutter pad only to have nothing happen.

Honestly, I like how small and handy the XA2’s are but I feel like a monkey on a football shooting with them. Still, I almost bought another one last week.

Ah ok, yeah on mine it also seems I need to find the sweet spot on the shutter button.
 
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For a somewhat similar type camera, I really like the Minolta AF-C. Small form factor with nice results.
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I had one of those but sold it as I found the AF really frustrating to use. If it didn’t confirm focus it would not let you take a pic. After a while I just gave up on it, I find zone focus cameras much better and quicker to use than these first gen AF cameras.
 
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So I just shot two more rolls of C200 - one in each. A big plus for the XA2 is it is more fun to use. The way the clamshell slides open has a much nicer tactile feel than the drawbridge action on the Ricoh.
 

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The clamshell lid on my oldest XA2 is getting “gritty” when it slides. I’ll have to see what’s up with it. My other XA2 clamshell’s slide smoothly and this one used to.

I was thinking of cutting a small piece of self adhesive grip material and sticking it on the shutter to raise the surface up a bit and give me a tactile way to tell where I need to put my finger.

When the camera was new the shutter was never fiddly. Just a light touch anywhere on the pad was all it took. I think the plastic pad gets less flexible with age and then the problems start.

How did the C200 pictures come out? Do you still feel the lens on the FF-1 is superior?
 
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Just developed both rolls of C200. The XA2 and FF1 have excellent meters. Kinda surprising actually. The images with the XA2 are plenty sharp but the Ricoh's lens is something else. It's on the level of a prime lens on offered by any of the big boy SLRs or RF cameras.

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The lenses on the Ricoh 500G and 35ZF are 40mm f2.8. I read great reviews on those lenses regarding how sharp and contrasty they are. It makes sense that the FF-1 lens is the same.

Both of those cameras are small but it looks like the FF-1 is even smaller. Nice to know there’s a good replacement for the XA2.
 
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Shush! I want a backup ff-1 before prices inflate!
Beside the viewfinder, my other complaint is the severe barrel distortion if the lens... visible in the door shot. Is the XA-2 any better in that regard?
 
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Shush! I want a backup ff-1 before prices inflate!
Beside the viewfinder, my other complaint is the severe barrel distortion if the lens... visible in the door shot. Is the XA-2 any better in that regard?

I don't really notice severe barrel distortion - if you are talking about the poles, those are bent. There is some barrel distortion, and of course with any lens you have what I think is called a key hole effect (?) - where if the camera is tilted up, verticals converge etc.
There will be some distortion with any lens that is this tiny but needs to cover a 35mm frame.

Here are two untouched shots taken with both cameras. The borders are not added by me, but the actual border of the negs in the film holders. Normally I crop those out and and cleaner, solid ones. :smile: But in the interest of seeing the images unmolestered so we can see all the flaws, here they are.

FF1 - if you look at the smoke stack on the right side in the distance, they look pretty much undistorted.



XA2 - pin cushion distortion is apparent



Of course, I could do a 'brick wall' test, but I have never done that in my life, and am not going to waste film on that because I don't recall I'd ever actually take pics of brick walls as the main subject matter.
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Some more pics taken w the XA2 - to show I am not harping on it. The red car is a favorite subject of mine, as I just think it looks cool against the blue background and so have photographed it a lot. I have rotated/cropped it.
The other two pics - the dawn one is to show how good the meter is as the exposure looks perfectly balanced across the sky and foreground. And the tree w the VW? Just to show the camera makes pleasing (to my eye) images! Of course the last two pics have not been cropped, straightened etc. Shown as is.









If I HAD to pick one camera, it would be the Ricoh. But if I had the XA2 w me I still would be very happy. Of note, in both the actual image is quite a bit more than what the frame lines indicate.
 
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And to even it out, a little Ricoh FF1 love. First image cropped/straightened. The other two unmolestered as is.








 
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I am curious how the Ricoh compares to the Minox 35. That little Minox is one of the best small cameras considering it's limitations.

I originally wanted a Minox 35 but could not find one that works. All had the notorious shutter issue. Which led me to the Ricoh which I had not known about before. I have owned three of the Ricohs (gave one to a friend) and all have worked perfectly.

I know people here may have a Minox that works ok, I just couldn’t find one. I can’t remember if the Minox uses a regular or mercury battery, but the Ricoh uses readily available 1.5v batteries as does the XA2, which is very handy.
 
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I've only ever owned one Minox 35, an EL, and it works fine. I use regular batteries in it and it typically underexposes so I adjust for that. I'd assume it underexposes because of the difference in voltage but I am not an electrical engineer... Love the lens though. Very Leica like. Like most cameras I own though, I never use it.

I've never heard of the notorious shutter issue, but then again I never had an issue with mine so I've never looked. Curious what that is, unless someone telling me puts a voodoo hex on my EL. One of those things like in the old horror movies where you say a name three times and such... Lol.

I haven't used it in years so it probably won't work next time I get it out...

Curiosity got the better of me and I got it out. Meter wasn't working but then I remembered that the shutter has to be cocked. Saw there was film in there so I took a selfie of course. Shutter opened and closed on a slow shutter speed so it is still working. I've forgotten how small it is.
 

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I've only ever owned one Minox 35, an EL, and it works fine. I use regular batteries in it and it typically underexposes so I adjust for that. I'd assume it underexposes because of the difference in voltage but I am not an electrical engineer... Love the lens though. Very Leica like. Like most cameras I own though, I never use it.

I've never heard of the notorious shutter issue, but then again I never had an issue with mine so I've never looked. Curious what that is, unless someone telling me puts a voodoo hex on my EL. One of those things like in the old horror movies where you say a name three times and such... Lol.

I haven't used it in years so it probably won't work next time I get it out...

Curiosity got the better of me and I got it out. Meter wasn't working but then I remembered that the shutter has to be cocked. Saw there was film in there so I took a selfie of course. Shutter opened and closed on a slow shutter speed so it is still working. I've forgotten how small it is.

The Minox 35's have an electronically controlled shutter. The shutter blades are held open by a electronic solenoid. If one speck of dust gets between the contacts, the shutter stops working. The real bummer is that you continue to take photos long after the shutter stops working. You usually find out the shutter died after you have your film developed. Yup, the shutter makes the same exact noise whether it's working or not working. How do I know?
I think they are one great camera, but only if they are working.
 
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