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Why would leica want to design their SLR line of cameras with the design philosophy of a Leica M?Leica's existing SLR at the time was the Leicaflex SL, which was four years old, big, heavy, and clunky. It seemed about as much in tune with the design philosophy of a Leica 'M' rangefinder as a garbage truck is in tune with the design philosophy of a Ferrari. Just about everyone at Leica must have seen the Olympus M-1 and thought, "That's basically what our SLR should look like. How did we f--k it up quite so much?" (in German).
I guess if you're asking that question, then the whole theoretical scenario I've outlined is going to seem irrational to you. Which is fair enough.Why would leica want to design their SLR line of cameras with the design philosophy of a Leica M?
It's just a scenario, that is all. As you said, Leica did eventually partner to build SLRs, but with Minolta.And why would Olympus want to approach Leica for a partnership when they were competitors?
That doesn't make any sense regarding the market as it was at that time.
You are seeing things from a very 2017 perspective.
BTW, when Leica felt the need of a partnership they went to Minolta.
It wasn't really intended as an insult. More that the M-series rangefinders and Leicaflex SLRs were clearly built from totally different philosophies. Just like a garbage truck and a Ferrari which are both adequate at the completely different job they do, but likely neither one of them has ever driven down the same stretch of road.I'll take my garbage truck, thank you
The intended comparison, when I described it as a large and clunky, was with the company's own M-series rangefinders. I won't deny it has its own charm.I wouldn't call the SL "clunky" by any means, although it is larger and heavier than the OM's.
I was under the impression that the Leicaflex and subsequently the SL and SL2 were 100% Leica, then from R3 until R8 it was a under partnership with Minolta.
I'll take my garbage truck, thank you
It wasn't really intended as an insult. More that the M-series rangefinders and Leicaflex SLRs were clearly built from totally different philosophies. Just like a garbage truck and a Ferrari which are both adequate at the completely different job they do, but likely neither one of them has ever driven down the same stretch of road.
Still, it's good to provoke debate about what might have been, no?
When the OM1 was introduced in '72, Leitz and Minolta were developing the Leitz-Minolta CL, which was introduced the next year, 1973.It's no great secret that Olympus' chief designer Yoshihisa Maitani was a huge fan of Leica rangefinders; the Leica design-cues in the OM-1 are there for all to see, including the overall dimensions and the front-mounted rewind-release. When Olympus unveiled the 'Olympus M-1' at Fotokina in '72, it seems very clear to me that they were deliberately pinging a proverbial elastic band at the back of Leica's head to attract their attention. Attract it they did, with Leica threatening to sue Olympus if they didn't rebrand the camera as something other than 'M-1'. As a result the OM-1 was born, following a short production of 'M'-branded cameras and matching ancillaries that now fetch collectors' prices. The rest is history.
Leica's existing SLR at the time was the Leicaflex SL, which was four years old, big, heavy, and clunky. It seemed about as much in tune with the design philosophy of a Leica 'M' rangefinder as a garbage truck is in tune with the design philosophy of a Ferrari. Just about everyone at Leica must have seen the Olympus M-1 and thought, "That's basically what our SLR should look like. How did we f--k it up quite so much?" (in German).
However, let's imagine a scenario where instead of pinging an elastic band at the head of the mighty German giant saying "this is how you should have done it", Olympus had actually approached Leica at the design stage and said 'how about a deal?'. The partnership could have been either that Leica licensed the design rights and intellectual property rights for the M-series SLRs from Olympus to produce Leica M SLRs in-house, or they paid Olympus to manufacture the cameras as Leicas under licence at Olympus' factory, and ether way both companies shared the profits.
Irrespective of how the deal could have panned out, Olympus surely would have benefitted from the cash it would bring. They were not established big players in the full-frame SLR market: up to that point they had only dabbled half-heartedly by launching the Olympus FTL in '71, which no in-house designer has ever publicly admitted responsibility for, including Maitani. And prior to that their most serious efforts with interchangeable lens SLRs had all been half frame.
If Olympus had secretly been hoping to attract the interest/investment from Leica, probably their only big mistake was previewing the completed and fully-branded M-1 at such a public event as Fotokina. I'm sure there were far more discrete ways they could have privately approached Leica to establish likely interest, flaunting their miniature masterpiece as the SLR embodiment of everything that made the M-series great, less its awkward film-loading system, its daft placement of the ASA dial, and of course its rangefinder (which fair credit to Leica was excellent).
"Teutonic" is right.I wouldn't call the SL "clunky" by any means, although it is larger and heavier than the OM's.
I prefer to call them "Teutonic".
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If anything, Olympus was the (much) bigger player, while Leica was in danger of becoming irrelevant. OM, XA, Stylus: Those were all very successful product lines.
Meanwhile, Leitz/Minolta CL was a success, but M wasn't doing so good. R3 and R4 were more in synch with the marketplace, but they didn't have a great reputation for reliability.
I still don' t know why people didn't like the M5, I think it came down to price, thus the CL success. The R4 was Leica's best selling model.
The XA and Stylus were pocket cameras, not exactly Leica's target audience.
I'd like to meet the person in the 70's who said 'I'm gonna buy an Olympus 35 RC, instead of the irrelevant Leica M5.'
Just about everyone at Leica must have seen the Olympus M-1 and thought, "That's basically what our SLR should look like. How did we f--k it up quite so much?" (in German).
When Olympus unveiled the 'Olympus M-1' at Fotokina in '72,...
And why would Olympus want to approach Leica for a partnership when they were competitors?
That doesn't make any sense regarding the market as it was at that time.
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